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fredamae

(4,458 posts)
45. It's a Bi-Partisan Trip
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 09:58 AM
Apr 2013

we've been on for Decades, imo-and some were very aware-I did not believe them---then.

When one connects the dots---looks at actual Votes in following up after a "hot issue" has been voted on? It's a bit of a suprise, if you erase the "rhetoric" (shall we say) from MSM VS reality.
I've watched my own senator completely disagree with the direction of any given issue---then vote to pass (or defeat)! WTF??
I've asked Why? Please explain the apparent conflict? I Never get any response.

I've never been Republican. I've been loyal to the Dem party for more than 50 years. 4 decades ago, my "position" on issues earned me an accusation of being "too far to the right" by many Dems.
Today? According to "some elitist dems" I am a "whining, retarded lefty"---lol I didn't change--my party did.

I at different times, gave full support for PBO. Today, I still recognize the extraordinary GOP Obstruction that hurts us all-hes faced with--but his solution is to capitulate? To be pulled further into the "rights dillusions" of Randian/Corporatist Governance? Hell No.
Personally--I would have forced the GOP's hand the very First time they "took our economy hostage" and put an end to this crap once and for all. I believe many folks would agree. I believe that's what True Old School Dems do.
Make no mistake. There are Great Progressive Democrats in office.
There's a few in the Senate and a few in the House--but they are out-ranked, out-numbered and out-financed.
They don't get much time on the "tv machine" and they've tried very Hard to Wake us up--to rally us.....but..........it is a very slow moving train.

I am very alarmed about whats happening. It doesn't matter the political party "we" all belong to--because the "Screwing of America"? It doesn't check first, your Political Registration. I believe most of us want the Same things--How we get there? Might be Our biggest problem If we were able to erase the Media's Divisive BS, which sadly, (imho) drives our conversations.

But one thing I Know for certain? Just blindly voting a straight Dem ticket or a straight GOP ticket is a bad idea---that mentality helped them steer us where we are today. Not every Dem/GOP candidate Is the Best Choice. We have to assume some responsibility for our own destiny here, for it is we who voted/or didn't, it is we who fail to vet our candidates and it is we, who are too willing to "settle" for what we get with a prayer and a hope.

Found this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022624524

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the Democrats are the ones that do the compromising Enrique Apr 2013 #1
you are being ridiculous. He's the most progressive President hfojvt Apr 2013 #2
Sure, if you all you care about is the single issue TM99 Apr 2013 #7
NDAA, ReAuthorizing Pat Act, Transparency fredamae Apr 2013 #28
So you are agreeing or disagreeing with me? TM99 Apr 2013 #31
I did vote for him twice fredamae Apr 2013 #32
We agree completely. TM99 Apr 2013 #41
It's a Bi-Partisan Trip fredamae Apr 2013 #45
I definitely agree with what you share here. TM99 Apr 2013 #68
More people need to fredamae Apr 2013 #71
That's the problem he was never the great progressive that everyone hoped for One of the 99 Apr 2013 #50
He is not a moderate. He is center-right. TM99 Apr 2013 #54
That's a low bar... YoungDemCA Apr 2013 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #38
i can't tell if you are on drugs or not datasuspect Apr 2013 #12
bs...and you know it xiamiam Apr 2013 #13
I never agreed with them hfojvt Apr 2013 #16
So you are willing to settle for "most progressive"? Tell that crap to those living in their cars, rhett o rick Apr 2013 #23
what I am willing to do hfojvt Apr 2013 #33
Sorry, I have a chip on my shoulder and this is twice I missed the sarcasm. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #40
I see what you did there MNBrewer Apr 2013 #69
still plenty of time to get some war on. KG Apr 2013 #3
Another war and these become the good old days tblue Apr 2013 #26
No. Not at all. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #4
I hesitate to produce a response to this sharp_stick Apr 2013 #5
Well, he and his family are photogenic HERVEPA Apr 2013 #6
It's all so sad and painful Nite Owl Apr 2013 #8
I forgot the "Yet" Bennyboy Apr 2013 #24
Nice list. It is too bad Obama never did one good thing in his administration. Friggin' teabagger. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #10
That crystal ball has put in a lot of overtime under President Obama. Cracklin Charlie Apr 2013 #11
Indeed. It needs a nice, safe, warm, moist place. Someplace where the sun don't shine. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #14
You don't need a crystal ball to know that he'll approve Keystone. Marr Apr 2013 #42
You'll give me 10:1 odds, right? So, yeah. I'll bet $50, you put up $500. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #43
I am not a gambler so can someone answer my dumb question? Generic Other Apr 2013 #55
Because both parties understand that one outcome is ten times more likely. Marr Apr 2013 #57
Now why would you ask for 10:1 odds? Marr Apr 2013 #56
Oh. So you aren't so sure that Obama will sign and you are not willing to back up your bet. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #58
Ten times more certain than you are that he won't, apparently. Marr Apr 2013 #60
Okay, then it's a bet? (You seem to be playing both sides of the fence) Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #61
*I'm* playing both sides of the fence? Excuse me? Marr Apr 2013 #63
I don't think you understand this whole betting thing. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #64
I understand it perfectly well, thanks-- and again: Marr Apr 2013 #65
you can cross one off your list. He won't cut SS or Medicare OKNancy Apr 2013 #15
Then why propose it in the first place. dawg Apr 2013 #18
no, so he can say to the Repubs and the non-left populace OKNancy Apr 2013 #20
Vote Republican 2014!!! bvar22 Apr 2013 #22
Vote Democratic 2014 tridim Apr 2013 #27
He knows that, but ... dawg Apr 2013 #30
I believe that 3 Million is a radical Low Ball estimate. bvar22 Apr 2013 #34
Maybe so, but half a million is enough to slaughter us in the Congressional elections of 2014. dawg Apr 2013 #35
Who could have EVER predicted that in 2013, bvar22 Apr 2013 #39
Glenn Greenwald Did bobduca Apr 2013 #49
Certain segments of DU "threw him under the bus" MNBrewer Apr 2013 #70
In other words, the Republicans stick by their principles no matter what ... dawg Apr 2013 #29
If this defense is true he is the stupidest person alive cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #19
What happens when the GOP fredamae Apr 2013 #62
This isn't about Obama. woo me with science Apr 2013 #17
+1 deutsey Apr 2013 #21
THIS version doesn't. Too bad we're on v2.0 Glitterati Apr 2013 #25
Obama is between a rock and a hard place. And it is ALL our fault! Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #36
We haven't shut up, Carolina Apr 2013 #48
And another thing... Carolina Apr 2013 #52
When you want to be a leader you lead, he is being led. gordianot Apr 2013 #53
Did "we" go silent? Or fredamae Apr 2013 #59
Please SOMEBODY make it stop. truedelphi Apr 2013 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author forestpath Apr 2013 #76
no he doesn't Liberal_in_LA Apr 2013 #37
Any problems with Obama and other Dems are probably your fault. gulliver Apr 2013 #44
apparently you missed the fact that we won the WH and Senate Carolina Apr 2013 #47
You and some others are under the mistaken OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #67
He sucked the first term,too Carolina Apr 2013 #46
No, the Republicans do treestar Apr 2013 #51
Nope, he doesn't. Too many accomplishments to list, really. NYC Liberal Apr 2013 #66
Real Nobel Peace prize winners use drones jsr Apr 2013 #72
The last time I had a real choice was the PA Democratic Primary in 2008. Demoiselle Apr 2013 #74
Like a Hoover. forestpath Apr 2013 #75
Drop the words "kind of" and you have it. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #77
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