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HiPointDem

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100. here's another opinion:

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 08:13 AM

Apr 2013

The real problem is that nobody knows from where they get their funding. The average salary in Ukraine is $319/month, but these women, who are otherwise out of work, have enough money to live in the expensive city of Kyiv and to travel all over the world. It is also quite difficult and expensive to obtain a visa from Ukraine to other countries (especially for young women, and for the unemployed), but the women of FEMEN have visas dripping out of their passports. They are being backed by a person or an organization with money and influence, and they aren’t saying who that is.

In the end, I don’t know whether I think that this is a kick-ass group of strong women who have reclaimed their bodies for political purposes, or a pawn of the patriarchy. Having written this out, I am leaning towards the latter. I don’t know any smarter, more thoughtful people than our commenters, so I have a plea: How does this group read to you? Is there something that I am missing? Will somebody please tell me how to feel?

http://persephonemagazine.com/2012/02/09/femen-ism/

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Why haven't you heard about *these* women? What you missed while you were distracted by boobies [View all] HiPointDem Apr 2013 OP

K & R...good stuff! nt Wounded Bear Apr 2013 #1

I believe the insult should be "Attracted only to boobies" cliffordu Apr 2013 #2

Is that the point of this post for you? Squinch Apr 2013 #101

wtf? BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2013 #113

Same as "When did you stop beating your wife"... Bonobo Apr 2013 #3

Kind of like the multiple postings of pix of the same 10-20 women flashing their boobies, eh? HiPointDem Apr 2013 #5

No, Bonobo. There are women fighting to maintian there rights in Tunisiia. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #18

Why on earth should this make you upset? BainsBane Apr 2013 #38

It starts with the silly and untrue accusation that Bonobo Apr 2013 #42

I haven't seen that it's untrue at all Scootaloo Apr 2013 #48

Hear, hear! redqueen Apr 2013 #96

What's the difference between Tunisia and Saudi Arabia? randome Apr 2013 #99

absolute misinterpretation of the post you're replying to. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2013 #115

Huh? The poster implied there was no difference between Tunisia and Saudi Arabia. randome Apr 2013 #117

that's not what the poster is saying at all. She's BEEN saying that Tunisia and SA are vastly dif- BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2013 #124

Rubbish - DU talked about the assassination of Bouzid, and the protests muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #149

so glad to see someone else stand up against Islamophobia BainsBane Apr 2013 #160

You may not be BainsBane Apr 2013 #144

there is no parallel btwn your whine and what the OP is saying. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2013 #116

These are intelligent and strong women whose voices must be heard. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2013 #4

yes. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #10

the truth is people just a few days ago were going on about "stoned to death" JI7 Apr 2013 #6

so you are trying to imply that Tunisian women fighting for their rights is doing anywhere near as Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #7

hard to believe, i know...european boobs are so terribly powerful.... HiPointDem Apr 2013 #23

once again Femen brings issues to attention RainDog Apr 2013 #8

femen brought this to your attention? no, *i* did. femen brought *nothing* to your attention HiPointDem Apr 2013 #12

true delrem Apr 2013 #31

truth! bettyellen Apr 2013 #34

WORD! what you said! every word! n/t BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2013 #125

+1 Raindog. nt Bonobo Apr 2013 #15

Femen did no such thing. Tunisia has a vital activist women's movement. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #22

oh sure- this was their secret plot to promote this activism that's been happening all along... by bettyellen Apr 2013 #30

k&r Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #9

i see Che Guevara JI7 Apr 2013 #11

yes. it was a leftist who was assassinated. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #13

kr-those that are terribly concerned with womens rights in Tunisia are also green for victory Apr 2013 #14

What's so bad about boobies? Major Nikon Apr 2013 #16

Because we spent the past week or so LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #17

Yeah. We are finding out that FEMEN picked a country that has a vibrant women's movement Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #20

oh, bull. the line on all those threads was: tunisia is a hellhole for women & amina is in danger HiPointDem Apr 2013 #21

Yes, thank you HPD for taking the lead on spreading the truth about Tunisia. redqueen Apr 2013 #97

this is an excellent post and so is the OP...as well as your standing up in the earlier threads. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2013 #119

People talked about stoning because she was threatened with it LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #146

Seabeyond caused a whole lot of DU to feign an interest in Tunisia and use the word "patriarchy " bettyellen Apr 2013 #27

fish are not aware they swim in water. IMO, when it comes to women's issues many good, liberal men KittyWampus Apr 2013 #140

true! that so many were shocked that there would be dissenting opinions on protest methods bettyellen Apr 2013 #145

Fish aren't probably aware of much of anything. opiate69 Apr 2013 #150

It's great that people here are starting to pay attention to Tunisia BainsBane Apr 2013 #40

People here started paying attention to Tunisia about two and a half polly7 Apr 2013 #131

Socks and zombies--the OP should really ring a Bell. nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #158

Ahhhh... I knew there was a reason I took great delight in NEVER being on the same side of an issue Number23 Apr 2013 #179

Oh no...it's a verified sighting. nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #184

Her silence is deafening, no? opiate69 Apr 2013 #164

ahh.. just saw your edit... unfuckingbelievable. opiate69 Apr 2013 #185

highpoint posted on that day the reality in Tunisia while others kept going on about first world JI7 Apr 2013 #45

Beautiful! burrowowl Apr 2013 #19

Well, they're clearly for Sharia law because they hate boobies! Scootaloo Apr 2013 #24

they obviously aren't real feminists BainsBane Apr 2013 #35

and "they talk too much" Femen does not approve of that! bettyellen Apr 2013 #43

That's another point of interest they have in common BainsBane Apr 2013 #52

Thankyou, K&R Whisp Apr 2013 #25

I think I see a bit of cleavage there, I'm sure middle school boys will pay attention now! Whisp Apr 2013 #26

yes! i saw it too!! HiPointDem Apr 2013 #28

Awesome show of solidarity! bettyellen Apr 2013 #29

Yes. There are plenty of men, for example, out there with women in front of that courthouse HiPointDem Apr 2013 #36

hey that's not what Muslim women living in an Islamist North African state are suppose to look like! Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #32

Inspiring pictures. nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #33

But they can't speak for themselves BainsBane Apr 2013 #37

Kick. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #39

Great photos! Thank you! smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #41

Thanks again, HiPointDem! BlueMTexpat Apr 2013 #44

Thank you for the visual of reality based feminist activism. UtahLib Apr 2013 #46

I heard about these women, and the Femen protest. Joe Shlabotnik Apr 2013 #47

all 20 of them. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #51

can you please link to this "brilliance" Femen displays? bettyellen Apr 2013 #132

The reason you chose this deliberately provocative thread title... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #49

No, that's not the reason I chose the title. The reason I chose the title was the portrayal by HiPointDem Apr 2013 #50

And yet you said NONE of that in the title. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #54

lol. i gave my audience some credit for being able to do inference. i guess i gave some too much HiPointDem Apr 2013 #56

So they are islamaphobes too and there is little to no islam there right? The Straight Story Apr 2013 #53

straw men, you guys love em. do you see anyone being stoned? if amina is going to be stoned, HiPointDem Apr 2013 #55

Talk about straw men - did I mention stoning in my post? The Straight Story Apr 2013 #57

no. but all my posts on this topic are in response to the many many posters who painted tunisia HiPointDem Apr 2013 #59

Excellent, excellent insights and questions. nt redqueen Apr 2013 #103

Good questions The Straight Story Apr 2013 #177

your posts are lame and it's all about you isn't it ? JI7 Apr 2013 #58

+ about a gazillion. chervilant Apr 2013 #111

And in your never ending crusade to be the cantankerous old stodge, MattBaggins Apr 2013 #155

Now that sounds rather ageist to me The Straight Story Apr 2013 #159

We're seeing them only because of the naked protests - your premise is 180 degrees wrong. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #60

no. we're only seeing them because i posted them. unlike any of you femen supporters. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #61

Can you honestly claim you'd have posted them if not for FEMEN? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #62

there have been postings all along about what's going on in tunisia. they never got any response, HiPointDem Apr 2013 #64

So you agree the 'boob' protests were effective then. randome Apr 2013 #67

lol. yeah, it was all about getting *me* to post pictures at DU of tunisian women protesting, HiPointDem Apr 2013 #70

no, DU is not the world, the women in the OP have been protesting for years JI7 Apr 2013 #71

So what's your point then? randome Apr 2013 #76

the OP is in response to the idiots who were crying about stoning to death, women forced to cover up JI7 Apr 2013 #79

So the OP is not about discussing solutions in Tunisia? randome Apr 2013 #82

"What can we do to support the Tunisians?" = funny you didn't ask that question on the boobie HiPointDem Apr 2013 #93

Yeah, mostly because of posters who wanted to start threads about boobie threads. randome Apr 2013 #95

Mitt Romney saved Detroit by being against saving Detroit MattBaggins Apr 2013 #157

You know, we CAN read. Sharia law is trying to be imposed there. randome Apr 2013 #65

oh bullshit. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #68

no, people were saying she was going to be stoned to death , talking about women JI7 Apr 2013 #69

And if Tunisia DOES tip over into Sharia law, that's what would happen. randome Apr 2013 #73

the Arab Spring Revolution was what brought in the Islamic Conservatives to Power JI7 Apr 2013 #77

I am NOT acting that way. I am asking questions. Care to answer some of them? randome Apr 2013 #78

the US has ties to Saudi Arabia HAHHAHAH JI7 Apr 2013 #81

Is there any way we can support that? Other than on DU? randome Apr 2013 #83

i'm not on facebook, not sure how/why it would matter how many likes JI7 Apr 2013 #167

maybe it should start with its allies, the ones who are funding the fundies in tunisia. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #85

Here is a link about the funding. randome Apr 2013 #86

the new islamist government is imposing austerity at the behest of the IMF. They are doing the HiPointDem Apr 2013 #89

You know, we could cancel couple of military programs and help them out with that austerity thing. randome Apr 2013 #91

wow, she couldn't go beyond the few slogans and answer any questions.... bettyellen Apr 2013 #126

So Inna Schevchenko of FEMEN explains that one of their goals R B Garr Apr 2013 #143

And would you have posted any of this if not for the so-called 'boobie' protest? randome Apr 2013 #63

there have been other posts about tunisia. i haven't seen you and your fellow-travelers there. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #66

So FEMEN got my attention. randome Apr 2013 #74

Well, now I have. HappyMe Apr 2013 #72

then why didn't i see you in anything but boobie threads? HiPointDem Apr 2013 #75

How do you know that I didn't read other HappyMe Apr 2013 #87

whatever. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #88

Why can't both Femen Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #80

"Femen never discredited the protests of Muslim women." femen never *acknowledged* the HiPointDem Apr 2013 #84

As a feminist, Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #90

that logic might have some power if femen had a mass movement behind it. it doesn't. so far HiPointDem Apr 2013 #92

40 or 4000 Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #98

here's another opinion: HiPointDem Apr 2013 #100

Interesting article Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #105

here's another data point: HiPointDem Apr 2013 #112

So what if there isn't a massive HappyMe Apr 2013 #102

like the fear that such tactics are counterproductive. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #104

Criticizing tactics when sitting here in the US, HappyMe Apr 2013 #106

i'm not talking about people here in the us. i'm talking about why women haven't joined in HiPointDem Apr 2013 #107

I think it's very effective, but I see HappyMe Apr 2013 #108

Criticizing tactics (and women's choices) while sitting safely in an office in Paris...... bettyellen Apr 2013 #128

Well, looks like the criticizing machine HappyMe Apr 2013 #129

as it was from the very first post on Amina's protest- every article led with "are the boobs bettyellen Apr 2013 #130

Apparently protesters that HappyMe Apr 2013 #133

Why does it bother you these conversations happen at DU-they are happening all over the blogosphere? bettyellen Apr 2013 #134

It doesn't bother me. I usually stay out of it, HappyMe Apr 2013 #136

to me, it's really weird that the first two articles posted were all about the method of protest bettyellen Apr 2013 #138

What you think is a 'stunt' I happen to think HappyMe Apr 2013 #142

And that is okay by me. It's nice to disagree and not resort to vilifying others here, no? bettyellen Apr 2013 #147

Wonderful photos, but a data warning would be nice. nt Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #94

Where were you... theKed Apr 2013 #109

and where we you and all the feminists who love boobs so much? HiPointDem Apr 2013 #114

'Feminists who love boobs'? That's the point you want to debate? randome Apr 2013 #118

I haven't been posting threads on the topic. theKed Apr 2013 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author theKed Apr 2013 #122

You mean it's not 40 topless women sufrommich Apr 2013 #110

Have we gotten so righteous that we dare tell someone else how to protest? madmom Apr 2013 #120

Terrific! treestar Apr 2013 #121

But!! But!!!!.... opiate69 Apr 2013 #127

This post was alerted on. The jury voted 6/0 to let it stand. ohiosmith Apr 2013 #162

LMAO! My, my.. seems I may have a serial alerter on my tail! Thanks for the heads up, smith! opiate69 Apr 2013 #163

My pleasure o69! ohiosmith Apr 2013 #165

K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #135

Let me get this straight LittleBlue Apr 2013 #137

So we give credit to Femen because they routinely ridicule these types of protesters? bettyellen Apr 2013 #139

Just saying, this thread wouldn't LittleBlue Apr 2013 #141

that's pretty pathetic , for the goal of Femen to be replies to some thread on DU JI7 Apr 2013 #168

Are you aware of what "raising awareness" means? opiate69 Apr 2013 #169

people should be informed, people screaming about Iraq and Tunisia as if they are AFghanistan JI7 Apr 2013 #170

Except, as has been pointed out to you naysayers time and again, opiate69 Apr 2013 #171

no, they are not in danger of being like Afghanistan or SAudi Arabia , it's like saying JI7 Apr 2013 #172

No, it's not like saying that about the U.S. ffs. Do you have any knowledge of the history of the ME opiate69 Apr 2013 #173

again, the Middle East/Arab/Muslim World is not one Country or the same JI7 Apr 2013 #174

OMFG... opiate69 Apr 2013 #175

no, your point shows that even conservatives coming to power doesn't turn it into JI7 Apr 2013 #176

I am joining you after seeing response to your post. OMFG! idwiyo Apr 2013 #182

At this point, I think they`re just arguing for arguments sake. opiate69 Apr 2013 #183

Whatever works for you! Coyotl Apr 2013 #148

Al hamdu-allah for Al Jezeerra. Deep13 Apr 2013 #151

More boob outrage from hof'ers. RetroLounge Apr 2013 #152

Remeber the dongle thing? Well this lady was beaten, threats of death and acid being thrown on her The Straight Story Apr 2013 #153

The US press blacks out massive US protests. Why would they cover international valerief Apr 2013 #154

One photo says Game Over & another Game Not Over. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #156

Kudos to these courageous... one_voice Apr 2013 #161

There have been a regular group of people posting about Tunisia and the ME riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #166

+1 not that they would ever admit it. idwiyo Apr 2013 #178

Moronic. That you could take something that is important and try to use it to beat people over the Number23 Apr 2013 #180

k&r Little Star Apr 2013 #181

K&R, Thank You! Great thread, inpiring photos! smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #186