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Jeff In Milwaukee

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15. Without crosstabs, this data is worthless...

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:21 PM

Apr 2013

And it may be worthless WITH crosstabs.

Let me call your attention to Question 12, in which 83.9% of respondents self-identify as serving in jurisdictions with "Average" or "Small" levels of gun crime. What I take from that response is that the overwhelming majority of respondents are from suburban or rural communities with little to no first hand police experience with regard to gun crime. In other words, 83% of the respondents police communities that contain less than 25% of the population and even less of the total violent crime.

So if you're a sheriff's deputy from Mayberry, you probably think it's just a problem with bad parenting and a good stretch in the joint will work wonders. You probably also think that Jesus rode dinosaurs, but that's beside the point.

If you work day in and day out around the results of gun crime, your attitude is probably remarkably different.

I say "probably" because I have no data to show otherwise, and this poll doesn't help.

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What rank & file police officers think about gun-control [View all] Lurks Often Apr 2013 OP

Hmmm - the survey was completed from a police products commercial website. haele Apr 2013 #1

It matches other surveys Lurks Often Apr 2013 #2

The methodology is not concrete bossy22 Apr 2013 #8

That's an understatement. Gormy Cuss Apr 2013 #46

Sorry, bunch of gun porn at link. Hoyt Apr 2013 #3

No surprises for me. I know a few police officers. They're level-headed, intelligent people who... slackmaster Apr 2013 #4

Then, why to gungeoneers feel they need to arm up to match police? Hoyt Apr 2013 #5

Do you have evidence to support that assertion? bossy22 Apr 2013 #7

Which one? First one - go read gungeon, I think you are familiar with it. Hoyt Apr 2013 #9

I looked at the site- It is a police industry forum bossy22 Apr 2013 #11

And 80% admit to toting in public when off duty. It's biased in many aspects. Hoyt Apr 2013 #13

Many depts require their officers to carry when off duty. NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #17

Yes. Another example of bias. Hoyt Apr 2013 #24

not bias, its an officer safety issue founded on past experience loli phabay Apr 2013 #67

Prove it. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #10

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Liberty = freedom of choice slackmaster Apr 2013 #62

Because it justifies their over-the-top militarization. nt Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #6

The ones I know (several) don't like being out gunned by nuts. rmax Apr 2013 #12

Where on earth do you live?!? Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #14

Well, it's kind of a mix. Local laws restrict the cops and the "villians" have whatever. rmax Apr 2013 #16

Here in Portland... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #18

They need those in Portland? Seriously? Busting up pot farms or something? rmax Apr 2013 #20

Seems a bit much to me, too. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #21

Glocks don't have balance - hence the lack of accuracy. They're throw-aways. rmax Apr 2013 #23

'Remmington' making a lot of handguns now, are they? jmg257 Apr 2013 #61

I don't think Remington... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #63

Glocks jam? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #29

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Well over a thousand rounds with my Model 19. No jams. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #31

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I'm throwing the BS challenge flag sarisataka Apr 2013 #33

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Holy Crap! In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #36

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Do you really feel the need for that many weapons? In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #40

Thanks for answering the challenge sarisataka Apr 2013 #42

I don't understand your post. rrneck Apr 2013 #34

See post # 35! In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #37

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Well then, lets have a look... rrneck Apr 2013 #41

SorryI was not clear. I disagree with everything that was in the PPRed post. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #43

You seem very confused about numerous weapons, and police access to them. jmg257 Apr 2013 #59

Without crosstabs, this data is worthless... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2013 #15

You may want to extend that thought process to it's conclusion: Lurks Often Apr 2013 #26

Wow. That's an impressive leap into illogic Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2013 #44

Where did you get that from? Lurks Often Apr 2013 #45

You must not live in a rural area... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2013 #48

There are bad cops everywhere and Lurks Often Apr 2013 #50

OK Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2013 #64

I think you are seeing a causal link where none exists Lurks Often Apr 2013 #65

I see the link because you keep insisting that it's there.... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2013 #68

No, my opinion is based on seeing these patterns Lurks Often Apr 2013 #69

He said, back-pedaling all the way... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2013 #70

Even with crosstabs it's probably meaningless. Gormy Cuss Apr 2013 #47

This sample is apparently full of assholes and psychopaths. Robb Apr 2013 #19

So what you are saying that Lurks Often Apr 2013 #25

I'll take that as a "yes." Robb Apr 2013 #27

I'm glad we agree that your post is Lurks Often Apr 2013 #28

Of those that take an interest in politics...most rank/file police officers are conservative morons. AgainsttheCrown Apr 2013 #22

I need a shower... 99Forever Apr 2013 #49

Your overwhelming display of logic has won me over!!!!! Lurks Often Apr 2013 #51

Why would I care what you think? 99Forever Apr 2013 #52

So you have nothing useful to contribute to the discussion Lurks Often Apr 2013 #60

Feel better now? Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #53

Ahhh gee... 99Forever Apr 2013 #55

Oooh! Bolded and underlined means it's MORE TRUER!! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #56

Get it straight lady.. 99Forever Apr 2013 #57

Continuing to employ an insulting term isn't "getting it straight." Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #58

The people at police one are horrible. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #66