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hepkat

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62. That's a data access problem

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 02:48 AM

Apr 2013

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/12/gun_violence_research_nra_and_congress_blocked_gun_control_studies_at_cdc.html

I'm sure you also understand the problem of self report data on something socially unacceptable like racial prejudice.

I'm a social scientist and I'm capable of picking apart any research study. There are always problems and criticisms that can be levied.

If you want to deny a relationship enjoy yourself. How do you feel about people that deny global warming?

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Why are so many gun owners racist? [View all] hepkat Apr 2013 OP

Paranoia libodem Apr 2013 #1

or why are so many racists gun owners ? JI7 Apr 2013 #2

A much better question. Scuba Apr 2013 #73

It's mostly just the South. (n/t) LAGC Apr 2013 #3

Uh.. no. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #14

Wrong. cordelia Apr 2013 #75

Gun orgs are promoting the idea that gun safety is racist hepkat Apr 2013 #4

Historically gun control has clear racist and classist roots. ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #8

A lot of people are racist. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #5

Racism is one symptom of innate fear. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #6

so the theory is that racism leads to gun ownership hepkat Apr 2013 #7

There are lots of different people who choose to own firearms for any number of reasons ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #9

A high correlation does not mean 100% hepkat Apr 2013 #15

Personally I only carry on my grandfather's farm in west TX Recursion Apr 2013 #28

What high correlation? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #30

I never said all gun owners were anything hepkat Apr 2013 #33

Most of the racists I have known, particularly growing up, did not have any guns ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #35

You mention "high correlation." What study supports this? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #44

I suspect they were speaking "ex recto"... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 #55

Thank you. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #17

really hep daddio olddots Apr 2013 #40

You mention "findings." Could you post a link? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #42

I suspect that you are simply a troll... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #10

So you don't support the 1st ammendment hepkat Apr 2013 #13

I support them all -- not that this has anything to do with my post. Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #31

Strictly speaking, you have no first amendment rights on DU. beevul Apr 2013 #90

Short answer (IMO): they lost the Civil War. Then they lost the subsequent Civil Rights struggle apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #11

My short answer to this is: Fawke Em Apr 2013 #20

Actually, you *have* no answer, as the facts presented are irrefutable. Dismissed as such. n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #32

No. I think I showed you up as a fool. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #77

+1 Go Vols Apr 2013 #51

Wasn't the whole idea for the 2nd Ammendment to prevent slave uprisings? rightsideout Apr 2013 #12

That's as reductionist and silly as the "the 2nd amendment lets us overthrow the govt" nonsense Recursion Apr 2013 #25

Fear and complete misunderstanding of anyone different, particularly brown people. Cowards. kysrsoze Apr 2013 #16

no Go Vols Apr 2013 #18

You are not representative hepkat Apr 2013 #21

I'm also from where this poster is from. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #26

What data do you actually have? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #38

You mention "data." What source do you have for this? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #45

Which data are you referring to? Pointy_n_sharp Apr 2013 #69

Hey... if you're going to the O and W game, IM me. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #22

I know gun rights people reject empirical data hepkat Apr 2013 #19

So racist have Go Vols Apr 2013 #23

Do you need for me to explain math? hepkat Apr 2013 #27

I dont need you to explain Go Vols Apr 2013 #29

Explain the math? Yes please. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #52

Don't expect any substantial reply. The term 'ex recto' applies... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 #56

Go to an academic library hepkat Apr 2013 #63

That studied gun ownership patterns among white males in Mississippi Recursion Apr 2013 #64

You are demanding that I have a dataset and compute results for you hepkat Apr 2013 #71

significant proportions of what? hepkat Apr 2013 #72

You mention "empirical data." What is your source? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #46

Ask yourself if this OP helps anything. Recursion Apr 2013 #24

conciousness matters hepkat Apr 2013 #34

I'm a scientist. Can you show me your data? Recursion Apr 2013 #36

The articles I've read are older and data is scant because of the NRA hepkat Apr 2013 #53

That relates new gun purchases to distrust of Obama Recursion Apr 2013 #54

And yet racial prejudice is tested also and has a significant relationship hepkat Apr 2013 #59

To what? To new gun purchases? Even granting that, it doesn't support your thesis Recursion Apr 2013 #60

That's a data access problem hepkat Apr 2013 #62

and these hepkat Apr 2013 #57

"gun owners are racist" =/= "racists own guns" demwing Apr 2013 #76

Look, I realize the NRA is crap, but they don't stop Fawke Em Apr 2013 #78

Kiss my Ass Go Vols Apr 2013 #37

I know quite a bit about the south and it's people hepkat Apr 2013 #41

I would still like to see these data you're talking about (nt) Recursion Apr 2013 #43

You may think you do, pecwae Apr 2013 #74

...what does that mean? nt Union Scribe Apr 2013 #39

Hope you wake up. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #48

It would appear the poster is deeply prejudiced toward millions if people. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Apr 2013 #49

What findings? Separation Apr 2013 #50

up thread I link abstracts and book excerpts hepkat Apr 2013 #61

Why are left handed gingers racist? Pointy_n_sharp Apr 2013 #58

Please watch this video. Separation Apr 2013 #65

THAT'S PART OF THEIR PARANOIA Skittles Apr 2013 #66

Don't forget, one of the main purposes of the 2nd Am. ... Deep13 Apr 2013 #67

Getting historical hepkat Apr 2013 #70

I'm not talking about the NRA. Deep13 Apr 2013 #89

Another Study hepkat Apr 2013 #68

REALLY offensive post. Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #79

It used to be easier to get rid of the obvious ones. cali Apr 2013 #80

134 posts. Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #82

It appears they kept low pintobean Apr 2013 #88

Backed by peer reviewed research tho hepkat Apr 2013 #81

Actually, that would be Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #87

Being a southerner, it sounds pretty accurate to me. Sometimes truth is offensssive. bowens43 Apr 2013 #84

thank you hepkat Apr 2013 #86

Parnoia , bigotry, fear and hatred are at the root of the gun culture/menatlity. bowens43 Apr 2013 #83

Why are so many white people racist? The Link Apr 2013 #85