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hepkat

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71. You are demanding that I have a dataset and compute results for you

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 03:50 AM

Apr 2013

I do not have that. I don't need it. I have peer reviewed studies that taken together illuminate this subject sufficieintly.

If Gun Owner Death Cult would get out of the way, we could study this stuff more precisely.

In the meantime if you aren't willing to accept this research, none of which you have actually read throughly. I'm sorry I will not meet your standard of scientific certainty.

Meanwhile, I have established a basis for my arguments.

Gun ownership is correlated with racism.

Maybe go gather your own data and refute my claims. Or go do a google search and read some of the alternative theories and studies. Post them and I will pick them apart. Because I am afraid the rigorous standard you want to apply has not been acheived by any research in the field.

Measurement issues are huge in social science research even economics where things are more easily counted and defined.

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Why are so many gun owners racist? [View all] hepkat Apr 2013 OP

Paranoia libodem Apr 2013 #1

or why are so many racists gun owners ? JI7 Apr 2013 #2

A much better question. Scuba Apr 2013 #73

It's mostly just the South. (n/t) LAGC Apr 2013 #3

Uh.. no. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #14

Wrong. cordelia Apr 2013 #75

Gun orgs are promoting the idea that gun safety is racist hepkat Apr 2013 #4

Historically gun control has clear racist and classist roots. ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #8

A lot of people are racist. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #5

Racism is one symptom of innate fear. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #6

so the theory is that racism leads to gun ownership hepkat Apr 2013 #7

There are lots of different people who choose to own firearms for any number of reasons ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #9

A high correlation does not mean 100% hepkat Apr 2013 #15

Personally I only carry on my grandfather's farm in west TX Recursion Apr 2013 #28

What high correlation? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #30

I never said all gun owners were anything hepkat Apr 2013 #33

Most of the racists I have known, particularly growing up, did not have any guns ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #35

You mention "high correlation." What study supports this? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #44

I suspect they were speaking "ex recto"... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 #55

Thank you. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #17

really hep daddio olddots Apr 2013 #40

You mention "findings." Could you post a link? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #42

I suspect that you are simply a troll... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #10

So you don't support the 1st ammendment hepkat Apr 2013 #13

I support them all -- not that this has anything to do with my post. Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #31

Strictly speaking, you have no first amendment rights on DU. beevul Apr 2013 #90

Short answer (IMO): they lost the Civil War. Then they lost the subsequent Civil Rights struggle apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #11

My short answer to this is: Fawke Em Apr 2013 #20

Actually, you *have* no answer, as the facts presented are irrefutable. Dismissed as such. n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #32

No. I think I showed you up as a fool. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #77

+1 Go Vols Apr 2013 #51

Wasn't the whole idea for the 2nd Ammendment to prevent slave uprisings? rightsideout Apr 2013 #12

That's as reductionist and silly as the "the 2nd amendment lets us overthrow the govt" nonsense Recursion Apr 2013 #25

Fear and complete misunderstanding of anyone different, particularly brown people. Cowards. kysrsoze Apr 2013 #16

no Go Vols Apr 2013 #18

You are not representative hepkat Apr 2013 #21

I'm also from where this poster is from. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #26

What data do you actually have? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #38

You mention "data." What source do you have for this? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #45

Which data are you referring to? Pointy_n_sharp Apr 2013 #69

Hey... if you're going to the O and W game, IM me. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #22

I know gun rights people reject empirical data hepkat Apr 2013 #19

So racist have Go Vols Apr 2013 #23

Do you need for me to explain math? hepkat Apr 2013 #27

I dont need you to explain Go Vols Apr 2013 #29

Explain the math? Yes please. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #52

Don't expect any substantial reply. The term 'ex recto' applies... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 #56

Go to an academic library hepkat Apr 2013 #63

That studied gun ownership patterns among white males in Mississippi Recursion Apr 2013 #64

You are demanding that I have a dataset and compute results for you hepkat Apr 2013 #71

significant proportions of what? hepkat Apr 2013 #72

You mention "empirical data." What is your source? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #46

Ask yourself if this OP helps anything. Recursion Apr 2013 #24

conciousness matters hepkat Apr 2013 #34

I'm a scientist. Can you show me your data? Recursion Apr 2013 #36

The articles I've read are older and data is scant because of the NRA hepkat Apr 2013 #53

That relates new gun purchases to distrust of Obama Recursion Apr 2013 #54

And yet racial prejudice is tested also and has a significant relationship hepkat Apr 2013 #59

To what? To new gun purchases? Even granting that, it doesn't support your thesis Recursion Apr 2013 #60

That's a data access problem hepkat Apr 2013 #62

and these hepkat Apr 2013 #57

"gun owners are racist" =/= "racists own guns" demwing Apr 2013 #76

Look, I realize the NRA is crap, but they don't stop Fawke Em Apr 2013 #78

Kiss my Ass Go Vols Apr 2013 #37

I know quite a bit about the south and it's people hepkat Apr 2013 #41

I would still like to see these data you're talking about (nt) Recursion Apr 2013 #43

You may think you do, pecwae Apr 2013 #74

...what does that mean? nt Union Scribe Apr 2013 #39

Hope you wake up. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #48

It would appear the poster is deeply prejudiced toward millions if people. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Apr 2013 #49

What findings? Separation Apr 2013 #50

up thread I link abstracts and book excerpts hepkat Apr 2013 #61

Why are left handed gingers racist? Pointy_n_sharp Apr 2013 #58

Please watch this video. Separation Apr 2013 #65

THAT'S PART OF THEIR PARANOIA Skittles Apr 2013 #66

Don't forget, one of the main purposes of the 2nd Am. ... Deep13 Apr 2013 #67

Getting historical hepkat Apr 2013 #70

I'm not talking about the NRA. Deep13 Apr 2013 #89

Another Study hepkat Apr 2013 #68

REALLY offensive post. Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #79

It used to be easier to get rid of the obvious ones. cali Apr 2013 #80

134 posts. Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #82

It appears they kept low pintobean Apr 2013 #88

Backed by peer reviewed research tho hepkat Apr 2013 #81

Actually, that would be Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #87

Being a southerner, it sounds pretty accurate to me. Sometimes truth is offensssive. bowens43 Apr 2013 #84

thank you hepkat Apr 2013 #86

Parnoia , bigotry, fear and hatred are at the root of the gun culture/menatlity. bowens43 Apr 2013 #83

Why are so many white people racist? The Link Apr 2013 #85