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Alva Goldbook

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47. We can't replicate that happened in Australia.

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 09:23 AM

Apr 2013

For 1) Australia got rid of 600,000 guns. We have 300 million. And 2) unlike Australia, we have a 2nd amendment and a 4th amendment that allows people to be secure in their property. For better or for worse, we're stuck with guns. I won't say there's a direct correlation here, but as I understand it, since this has happened, home invasions in Australia has skyrocketed, and women are 3 times more likely to get raped in Australia vs. the USA. People are 4 times more likely to be assaulted compared to the USA.

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Is the goal reasonable gun control laws, or is the goal saving lives? [View all] Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 OP

How fast can you change a gun magazine?... pkdu Apr 2013 #1

I plopped my old edition into paper re-cycling even faster. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #58

Only 100% reinterpretation of the 2nd, will stop the real problem of guns. graham4anything Apr 2013 #2

Generally, there are two kinds of crimes committed with guns. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #5

Street crime is not the problem? Really? Credibility now zero. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #60

as long as Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #3

New York City is one of the safest places to be in America today. graham4anything Apr 2013 #7

NOT "one of the safest places to be in America today" for those who are stopped-and-frisked AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #25

Bullshit. krispos42 Apr 2013 #28

Aren't you the one and only host of the Pro-Gun forum? graham4anything Apr 2013 #29

Yup. krispos42 Apr 2013 #30

And that has what to do with what he posted? premium Apr 2013 #42

"poisoning the well" Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #53

Actually it was a question about a possible "conflict of interest". eom rdharma Apr 2013 #100

NYC is a remarkable example of how a huge, densely populated city can have DanTex Apr 2013 #41

Did you notice that Bloomberg has yet to disarm the NYPD? Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #44

Yes it is nt Progressive dog Apr 2013 #62

Until we get those 'underlying problems' tblue Apr 2013 #10

and I am sure Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #12

Oh yes. THOSE "unrban cities" people. Pholus Apr 2013 #14

according to the doj Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #15

So why do YOU think the rate is higher. Pholus Apr 2013 #16

poverty Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #17

Huh. So you just want to grab "unrban" guns then? Pholus Apr 2013 #18

I never said that. Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #22

At least you're starting to sound more reasonable now. Pholus Apr 2013 #97

if I wasn't Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #98

Sounds like you need some sleep. nt Pholus Apr 2013 #99

Why are gun people so worried about the Mafia? graham4anything Apr 2013 #32

what? Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #33

You brought the Mafia up. You said gangs. graham4anything Apr 2013 #34

you really Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #37

They don't worry me. Zimmerman worries me. Rightwing extremists hoarding guns worry me graham4anything Apr 2013 #38

do you think that a firearm Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #39

ANYONE who calls a firearm a WMD has backed out of any serious debate on guns derby378 Apr 2013 #51

WMD? dminaz Apr 2013 #65

And what about self-protection? Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #46

Ending wars does not end the bad people that make up a small % of any place/group. graham4anything Apr 2013 #54

Hitler was a lot of things, but he wasn't a terrorist. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #94

Terrorists would exist if there were no USA. They would terrorize other nations graham4anything Apr 2013 #96

Yes! graham4anything Apr 2013 #31

It would be quicker to ban the use of SSRI's Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #45

And how did they create a thriving business district? dkf Apr 2013 #4

I'm not exactly sure... Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #6

You still have to fill it with businesses. dkf Apr 2013 #8

All of the above. When I moved to Columbia Heights in the 1990s... Recursion Apr 2013 #21

The receivership was the big thing. Williams' tenure on the control board... Recursion Apr 2013 #20

We went involuntarily into Federal receivership Recursion Apr 2013 #19

It's things like this that make you realize it can work if done properly. dkf Apr 2013 #24

Why not do both? 100 is too many. tblue Apr 2013 #9

We can't replicate that happened in Australia. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #47

I really don't think they did gejohnston Apr 2013 #57

Correllation <> Causation Sgent Apr 2013 #11

Louisiana has the worst homicide rate in the nation. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #49

Sounds to me as if they ran all the poor people out of DC Fumesucker Apr 2013 #13

God no. Come visit the neighborhoods some time. Recursion Apr 2013 #23

the goal is to get rid of the guns. Ban the guns , ban the ammo and the issue is solved. bowens43 Apr 2013 #26

self-defense is not okay? (nt) Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #50

Only if the ban is complied with. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #55

Shave and a hair cut, 2 bits. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #63

Neither - The Goal Is To Protect The Myth Of The Second Amendment cantbeserious Apr 2013 #27

The goal is to save lives. But the way we've been forced to go about it by the RW has failed. baldguy Apr 2013 #35

Both! morningfog Apr 2013 #36

"Is the goal reasonable gun control laws, or is the goal saving lives?" rdharma Apr 2013 #40

The goal is saving lives via reasonable gun control laws. DanTex Apr 2013 #43

For a lot of reasons, gun control does not work in the United States. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #52

There are other factors besides guns, obviously, but also obviously, guns are a significant factor. DanTex Apr 2013 #56

I have no doubt that we could reduce the homicide rate by strictly regulating guns. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #74

Homicides everywhere have declined bhikkhu Apr 2013 #48

Ah, a gunner post billh58 Apr 2013 #59

At least it's a well written, thought provoking thread, premium Apr 2013 #61

Yeah, I imagine to billh58 Apr 2013 #71

I'm an NRA apologist? premium Apr 2013 #72

NRA talking points billh58 Apr 2013 #75

You first. premium Apr 2013 #77

Isn't your village billh58 Apr 2013 #79

In other words, premium Apr 2013 #82

Keep telling yourself that billh58 Apr 2013 #86

In other words, premium Apr 2013 #88

Bill, instead of insults and vitriol.... Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #76

You don't have an "argument" billh58 Apr 2013 #78

Forget it. premium Apr 2013 #81

How is that a choice? Progressive dog Apr 2013 #64

That's a false comparison, premium Apr 2013 #67

I din't claim it was a comparison Progressive dog Apr 2013 #68

Ah, my mistake, premium Apr 2013 #69

I love the false choices the gun enthusiasts here foist upon us. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #66

Because their guns are billh58 Apr 2013 #73

Good post Vietnameravet Apr 2013 #80

I don't think it's a question of false choices. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #84

I think we can do all 3 also. premium Apr 2013 #85

The other day an OP asked DUers what their Top 3 issues were... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #70

More gunner bullshit obfuscation upaloopa Apr 2013 #83

See post #85. premium Apr 2013 #87

I agree. The goal is to reduce gun violence. upaloopa Apr 2013 #90

The gunners are trying billh58 Apr 2013 #91

You covered all the bases I wish you would make upaloopa Apr 2013 #92

Apparently, the goal is to sell as many guns as possible regardless of Cleita Apr 2013 #89

As a practical matter... Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #93

Repealing the 2nd amendment is nonsense. Cleita Apr 2013 #95