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Alva Goldbook

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52. For a lot of reasons, gun control does not work in the United States.

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 09:37 AM

Apr 2013

The Washington, D.C. example demonstrates that gun control does not work to eliminate gun crimes.

There is an argument from the pro-gun side that says the more guns there are the safer you will be. There is an argument from the gun-control side that says the least number of guns, the safer you will be. I'm saying that both arguments are false.

Louisiana, Arizona, Texas and South Carolina have some of the most lax gun laws in the country. They also happen to be in the top 20 states for firearm homicides. Maryland, California, New Jersey and Illinois have some of the most strict gun laws in the country, and they're also in the top 20 states for firearm homicides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Unlike other nations, we have a 2nd amendment. We're stuck with guns. We just have to deal with that. Unless we can repeal the 2nd amendment, nothing can be done about that.

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Is the goal reasonable gun control laws, or is the goal saving lives? [View all] Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 OP

How fast can you change a gun magazine?... pkdu Apr 2013 #1

I plopped my old edition into paper re-cycling even faster. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #58

Only 100% reinterpretation of the 2nd, will stop the real problem of guns. graham4anything Apr 2013 #2

Generally, there are two kinds of crimes committed with guns. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #5

Street crime is not the problem? Really? Credibility now zero. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #60

as long as Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #3

New York City is one of the safest places to be in America today. graham4anything Apr 2013 #7

NOT "one of the safest places to be in America today" for those who are stopped-and-frisked AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #25

Bullshit. krispos42 Apr 2013 #28

Aren't you the one and only host of the Pro-Gun forum? graham4anything Apr 2013 #29

Yup. krispos42 Apr 2013 #30

And that has what to do with what he posted? premium Apr 2013 #42

"poisoning the well" Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #53

Actually it was a question about a possible "conflict of interest". eom rdharma Apr 2013 #100

NYC is a remarkable example of how a huge, densely populated city can have DanTex Apr 2013 #41

Did you notice that Bloomberg has yet to disarm the NYPD? Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #44

Yes it is nt Progressive dog Apr 2013 #62

Until we get those 'underlying problems' tblue Apr 2013 #10

and I am sure Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #12

Oh yes. THOSE "unrban cities" people. Pholus Apr 2013 #14

according to the doj Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #15

So why do YOU think the rate is higher. Pholus Apr 2013 #16

poverty Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #17

Huh. So you just want to grab "unrban" guns then? Pholus Apr 2013 #18

I never said that. Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #22

At least you're starting to sound more reasonable now. Pholus Apr 2013 #97

if I wasn't Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #98

Sounds like you need some sleep. nt Pholus Apr 2013 #99

Why are gun people so worried about the Mafia? graham4anything Apr 2013 #32

what? Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #33

You brought the Mafia up. You said gangs. graham4anything Apr 2013 #34

you really Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #37

They don't worry me. Zimmerman worries me. Rightwing extremists hoarding guns worry me graham4anything Apr 2013 #38

do you think that a firearm Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #39

ANYONE who calls a firearm a WMD has backed out of any serious debate on guns derby378 Apr 2013 #51

WMD? dminaz Apr 2013 #65

And what about self-protection? Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #46

Ending wars does not end the bad people that make up a small % of any place/group. graham4anything Apr 2013 #54

Hitler was a lot of things, but he wasn't a terrorist. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #94

Terrorists would exist if there were no USA. They would terrorize other nations graham4anything Apr 2013 #96

Yes! graham4anything Apr 2013 #31

It would be quicker to ban the use of SSRI's Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #45

And how did they create a thriving business district? dkf Apr 2013 #4

I'm not exactly sure... Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #6

You still have to fill it with businesses. dkf Apr 2013 #8

All of the above. When I moved to Columbia Heights in the 1990s... Recursion Apr 2013 #21

The receivership was the big thing. Williams' tenure on the control board... Recursion Apr 2013 #20

We went involuntarily into Federal receivership Recursion Apr 2013 #19

It's things like this that make you realize it can work if done properly. dkf Apr 2013 #24

Why not do both? 100 is too many. tblue Apr 2013 #9

We can't replicate that happened in Australia. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #47

I really don't think they did gejohnston Apr 2013 #57

Correllation <> Causation Sgent Apr 2013 #11

Louisiana has the worst homicide rate in the nation. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #49

Sounds to me as if they ran all the poor people out of DC Fumesucker Apr 2013 #13

God no. Come visit the neighborhoods some time. Recursion Apr 2013 #23

the goal is to get rid of the guns. Ban the guns , ban the ammo and the issue is solved. bowens43 Apr 2013 #26

self-defense is not okay? (nt) Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #50

Only if the ban is complied with. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #55

Shave and a hair cut, 2 bits. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #63

Neither - The Goal Is To Protect The Myth Of The Second Amendment cantbeserious Apr 2013 #27

The goal is to save lives. But the way we've been forced to go about it by the RW has failed. baldguy Apr 2013 #35

Both! morningfog Apr 2013 #36

"Is the goal reasonable gun control laws, or is the goal saving lives?" rdharma Apr 2013 #40

The goal is saving lives via reasonable gun control laws. DanTex Apr 2013 #43

For a lot of reasons, gun control does not work in the United States. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #52

There are other factors besides guns, obviously, but also obviously, guns are a significant factor. DanTex Apr 2013 #56

I have no doubt that we could reduce the homicide rate by strictly regulating guns. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #74

Homicides everywhere have declined bhikkhu Apr 2013 #48

Ah, a gunner post billh58 Apr 2013 #59

At least it's a well written, thought provoking thread, premium Apr 2013 #61

Yeah, I imagine to billh58 Apr 2013 #71

I'm an NRA apologist? premium Apr 2013 #72

NRA talking points billh58 Apr 2013 #75

You first. premium Apr 2013 #77

Isn't your village billh58 Apr 2013 #79

In other words, premium Apr 2013 #82

Keep telling yourself that billh58 Apr 2013 #86

In other words, premium Apr 2013 #88

Bill, instead of insults and vitriol.... Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #76

You don't have an "argument" billh58 Apr 2013 #78

Forget it. premium Apr 2013 #81

How is that a choice? Progressive dog Apr 2013 #64

That's a false comparison, premium Apr 2013 #67

I din't claim it was a comparison Progressive dog Apr 2013 #68

Ah, my mistake, premium Apr 2013 #69

I love the false choices the gun enthusiasts here foist upon us. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #66

Because their guns are billh58 Apr 2013 #73

Good post Vietnameravet Apr 2013 #80

I don't think it's a question of false choices. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #84

I think we can do all 3 also. premium Apr 2013 #85

The other day an OP asked DUers what their Top 3 issues were... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #70

More gunner bullshit obfuscation upaloopa Apr 2013 #83

See post #85. premium Apr 2013 #87

I agree. The goal is to reduce gun violence. upaloopa Apr 2013 #90

The gunners are trying billh58 Apr 2013 #91

You covered all the bases I wish you would make upaloopa Apr 2013 #92

Apparently, the goal is to sell as many guns as possible regardless of Cleita Apr 2013 #89

As a practical matter... Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #93

Repealing the 2nd amendment is nonsense. Cleita Apr 2013 #95