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VanillaRhapsody

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5. "Not having the ability to retreat..."

Reply to mwrguy (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 07:13 PM

Apr 2013

Isn't that the very definition of the SYG law?

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So Zimmerman gave up [View all] nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 OP

A no-brainer legally Egalitariat Apr 2013 #1

Wow..he blew up...he put on 100lbs HipChick Apr 2013 #2

The first time he was in jail he bought a bunch of junk food csziggy May 2013 #40

Dude is trying to STUFF his feelings of guilt with food Berlum May 2013 #53

He is claiming simple self defense, not 'stand your ground' mwrguy Apr 2013 #3

"Not having the ability to retreat..." VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #5

It is the exact opposite. ManiacJoe Apr 2013 #8

Uh, no, the reverse Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #22

I cannot see how he has a prayer with self-defense. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #28

Look at it from a legal and more dispassionate viewpoint... Pelican May 2013 #35

No chance--unless he gets an all-white jury or something Blue_Tires May 2013 #38

His phrasing in the call about Martin is nearly identical to an earlier call he made csziggy May 2013 #44

and like i said before Blue_Tires May 2013 #50

Yep - Zimmy had the script directly from the SYG crowd n/t csziggy May 2013 #57

99% of that doesn't matter... Pelican May 2013 #63

It *IS* illegal once you start infringing on civil rights Blue_Tires May 2013 #64

slackmaster lives! Moses2SandyKoufax May 2013 #82

Police orders? customerserviceguy May 2013 #79

Ok. Buzz Clik May 2013 #80

Not a legal expert, just wishful thinking on his part. Moses2SandyKoufax May 2013 #81

Well that sounds boring... Pelican May 2013 #83

I'm not doing either customerserviceguy May 2013 #89

Trying to avoid civil suit brush Apr 2013 #19

He doesn't care at all about a civil suit Egalitariat Apr 2013 #20

That too brush May 2013 #37

He still can be sued in Civil Court. See OJ who was acquitted then sued and lost in Civil Court. sabrina 1 May 2013 #43

The motion is why his lawyer advised him to do it brush May 2013 #72

I don't think civil proceedings were the big issue here jmowreader May 2013 #73

I'm hoping you're absolutely right brush May 2013 #74

Right now, Zimmerman's most pressing need is to not go to general population jmowreader May 2013 #84

My whole problem with Zimmerman was that he followed Trayvon on foot. MellowYellow Apr 2013 #4

By this analogy...as a female VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #6

Exactly, I've been using the young Latina supposition for while and it's easier to see why ZMan is.. uponit7771 Apr 2013 #9

the only reason this is being debated is because Trayvon was a black male JI7 Apr 2013 #12

No. That's not what I said. Zimmerman stalked Treyvon. So if you were to stalk a man in a dark MellowYellow Apr 2013 #15

say what? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #18

Ok, I got you now. Yes, Trayvon being stalked in the dark had every right to defend himself. MellowYellow Apr 2013 #25

Totally! Can you imagine VanillaRhapsody May 2013 #34

Please stop using the word stalk... Pelican May 2013 #36

It has many definitions BklnDem75 May 2013 #46

Well said. H2O Man Apr 2013 #21

That is not what Zimmerman is arguing hack89 Apr 2013 #23

The timing for Zimmerman's story proves it wrong csziggy May 2013 #47

That is why we have trials and juries hack89 May 2013 #54

Yes, I want Zimmerman to have a fair trial csziggy May 2013 #58

That's what he says but the timestamps don't match pokerfan May 2013 #68

The judge and the jury will sort it all out. hack89 May 2013 #69

Zimmerman's going to have to change his story again pokerfan May 2013 #71

Zimmy is the NRA poster person. Any NRA/gun fan is now forced to hope Zimmy is let go graham4anything May 2013 #76

Hyperbole much? hack89 May 2013 #78

Zimmy is the defining moment, as his lynching of an innocent man, Mr. Martin was akin to graham4anything May 2013 #85

So Zimmerman will destroy the NRA where Sandy Hook couldn't? hack89 May 2013 #86

all pieces of a too be reinterpreted 2nd in the future. Stop the Cronyn Amendment reciprical graham4anything May 2013 #87

Are you for real? hack89 May 2013 #88

Yeap, now he's basically claiming that he had a burden to flee and didn't...he loses the second he.. uponit7771 Apr 2013 #7

He says he was heading back to his car when Martin jumped him. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #24

Did he ever say WHY he was following Martin in the first place? Blue_Tires May 2013 #39

He thought Martin was a criminal looking for a house to break into. nt hack89 May 2013 #41

Which is why he tracked him going all the way to a gas station and back again? Blue_Tires May 2013 #48

The judge and the jury will sort it all out. nt hack89 May 2013 #65

Mark O'Mara is Zimmerman's lawyer DrDan Apr 2013 #10

I hate auto correct, thanks nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #11

This was fully expected and is indicative of nothing ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #13

This was expected? Why? This seemed like the golden opportunity and test case. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #27

Its going to be a straight self defense case. This has been known for some time ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #31

Hm. Sounds like this was non-news for those paying attention. Buzz Clik May 2013 #33

Apparently his lawyers will bring this back up later on in trial. dmr Apr 2013 #14

The lawyer in rev Al's show nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #16

They cannot bring up SYG but they can and will raise self defense ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #30

He really doesn't have much choice. Kalidurga Apr 2013 #17

Casey Anthony Got off. Incitatus Apr 2013 #26

O'Mara has made some huge blunders in this case Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #29

The Hannity deal may have been made before Zimmerman was arrested csziggy May 2013 #56

All it takes is one hold out ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #32

You can say that about damn near any case... Blue_Tires May 2013 #42

Indeed. I expect there to be much caterwauling from many parties ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #45

On the other hand, I'm expecting justice Blue_Tires May 2013 #49

Justice is rare in a court these days ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #51

Grace's coverage and whichever side she supposedly "takes" Blue_Tires May 2013 #52

If there were not ratings to be made she would not have that time slot in CNN ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #55

Casey Anthony case had around 8 hold outs, they saw no evidence.. prosecution was a joke uponit7771 May 2013 #75

Talkleft web site has full explanation of legal issues invovled. cheyanne May 2013 #59

Thanks for this link nt OldHippieChick May 2013 #66

My guess is the final outcome will be... LanternWaste May 2013 #60

I agree mainstreetonce May 2013 #61

I would expect such an announcement soon ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #67

He's only got to convince one juror in a state full of bigots and gun nuts. eom Hoyt May 2013 #62

Nothing up his sleeve pokerfan May 2013 #70

O'Mara absolutely positively customerserviceguy May 2013 #77

What could he *possibly* have up his sleeve? Blue_Tires May 2013 #90

I guess we'll see customerserviceguy May 2013 #91