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jmowreader

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73. I don't think civil proceedings were the big issue here

Wed May 1, 2013, 05:17 PM

May 2013

Oh, they were an issue; he knows he's going to be sued. He has a more pressing problem: the police told him to stay in his car, he refused, and the situation escalated to him killing Trayvon Martin with a gun. Not only would he have lost the SYG request, the testimony would have been used by the prosecution in the murder trial.

There are two possible outcomes for George Zimmerman. He is trying to avoid the one that ends with "may God have mercy on your soul." There are two ways that could happen. First, if the prosecution can convince a grand jury to upgrade Zimmerman's charge to first degree murder, the prosecutor will try to make this a capital case...and this is Florida, where governor races have turned into fry-offs. The other is if Zimmerman is charged with a federal hate crime. The facts of this case are not in doubt and they are damning.

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So Zimmerman gave up [View all] nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 OP

A no-brainer legally Egalitariat Apr 2013 #1

Wow..he blew up...he put on 100lbs HipChick Apr 2013 #2

The first time he was in jail he bought a bunch of junk food csziggy May 2013 #40

Dude is trying to STUFF his feelings of guilt with food Berlum May 2013 #53

He is claiming simple self defense, not 'stand your ground' mwrguy Apr 2013 #3

"Not having the ability to retreat..." VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #5

It is the exact opposite. ManiacJoe Apr 2013 #8

Uh, no, the reverse Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #22

I cannot see how he has a prayer with self-defense. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #28

Look at it from a legal and more dispassionate viewpoint... Pelican May 2013 #35

No chance--unless he gets an all-white jury or something Blue_Tires May 2013 #38

His phrasing in the call about Martin is nearly identical to an earlier call he made csziggy May 2013 #44

and like i said before Blue_Tires May 2013 #50

Yep - Zimmy had the script directly from the SYG crowd n/t csziggy May 2013 #57

99% of that doesn't matter... Pelican May 2013 #63

It *IS* illegal once you start infringing on civil rights Blue_Tires May 2013 #64

slackmaster lives! Moses2SandyKoufax May 2013 #82

Police orders? customerserviceguy May 2013 #79

Ok. Buzz Clik May 2013 #80

Not a legal expert, just wishful thinking on his part. Moses2SandyKoufax May 2013 #81

Well that sounds boring... Pelican May 2013 #83

I'm not doing either customerserviceguy May 2013 #89

Trying to avoid civil suit brush Apr 2013 #19

He doesn't care at all about a civil suit Egalitariat Apr 2013 #20

That too brush May 2013 #37

He still can be sued in Civil Court. See OJ who was acquitted then sued and lost in Civil Court. sabrina 1 May 2013 #43

The motion is why his lawyer advised him to do it brush May 2013 #72

I don't think civil proceedings were the big issue here jmowreader May 2013 #73

I'm hoping you're absolutely right brush May 2013 #74

Right now, Zimmerman's most pressing need is to not go to general population jmowreader May 2013 #84

My whole problem with Zimmerman was that he followed Trayvon on foot. MellowYellow Apr 2013 #4

By this analogy...as a female VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #6

Exactly, I've been using the young Latina supposition for while and it's easier to see why ZMan is.. uponit7771 Apr 2013 #9

the only reason this is being debated is because Trayvon was a black male JI7 Apr 2013 #12

No. That's not what I said. Zimmerman stalked Treyvon. So if you were to stalk a man in a dark MellowYellow Apr 2013 #15

say what? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #18

Ok, I got you now. Yes, Trayvon being stalked in the dark had every right to defend himself. MellowYellow Apr 2013 #25

Totally! Can you imagine VanillaRhapsody May 2013 #34

Please stop using the word stalk... Pelican May 2013 #36

It has many definitions BklnDem75 May 2013 #46

Well said. H2O Man Apr 2013 #21

That is not what Zimmerman is arguing hack89 Apr 2013 #23

The timing for Zimmerman's story proves it wrong csziggy May 2013 #47

That is why we have trials and juries hack89 May 2013 #54

Yes, I want Zimmerman to have a fair trial csziggy May 2013 #58

That's what he says but the timestamps don't match pokerfan May 2013 #68

The judge and the jury will sort it all out. hack89 May 2013 #69

Zimmerman's going to have to change his story again pokerfan May 2013 #71

Zimmy is the NRA poster person. Any NRA/gun fan is now forced to hope Zimmy is let go graham4anything May 2013 #76

Hyperbole much? hack89 May 2013 #78

Zimmy is the defining moment, as his lynching of an innocent man, Mr. Martin was akin to graham4anything May 2013 #85

So Zimmerman will destroy the NRA where Sandy Hook couldn't? hack89 May 2013 #86

all pieces of a too be reinterpreted 2nd in the future. Stop the Cronyn Amendment reciprical graham4anything May 2013 #87

Are you for real? hack89 May 2013 #88

Yeap, now he's basically claiming that he had a burden to flee and didn't...he loses the second he.. uponit7771 Apr 2013 #7

He says he was heading back to his car when Martin jumped him. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #24

Did he ever say WHY he was following Martin in the first place? Blue_Tires May 2013 #39

He thought Martin was a criminal looking for a house to break into. nt hack89 May 2013 #41

Which is why he tracked him going all the way to a gas station and back again? Blue_Tires May 2013 #48

The judge and the jury will sort it all out. nt hack89 May 2013 #65

Mark O'Mara is Zimmerman's lawyer DrDan Apr 2013 #10

I hate auto correct, thanks nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #11

This was fully expected and is indicative of nothing ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #13

This was expected? Why? This seemed like the golden opportunity and test case. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #27

Its going to be a straight self defense case. This has been known for some time ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #31

Hm. Sounds like this was non-news for those paying attention. Buzz Clik May 2013 #33

Apparently his lawyers will bring this back up later on in trial. dmr Apr 2013 #14

The lawyer in rev Al's show nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #16

They cannot bring up SYG but they can and will raise self defense ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #30

He really doesn't have much choice. Kalidurga Apr 2013 #17

Casey Anthony Got off. Incitatus Apr 2013 #26

O'Mara has made some huge blunders in this case Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #29

The Hannity deal may have been made before Zimmerman was arrested csziggy May 2013 #56

All it takes is one hold out ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #32

You can say that about damn near any case... Blue_Tires May 2013 #42

Indeed. I expect there to be much caterwauling from many parties ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #45

On the other hand, I'm expecting justice Blue_Tires May 2013 #49

Justice is rare in a court these days ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #51

Grace's coverage and whichever side she supposedly "takes" Blue_Tires May 2013 #52

If there were not ratings to be made she would not have that time slot in CNN ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #55

Casey Anthony case had around 8 hold outs, they saw no evidence.. prosecution was a joke uponit7771 May 2013 #75

Talkleft web site has full explanation of legal issues invovled. cheyanne May 2013 #59

Thanks for this link nt OldHippieChick May 2013 #66

My guess is the final outcome will be... LanternWaste May 2013 #60

I agree mainstreetonce May 2013 #61

I would expect such an announcement soon ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #67

He's only got to convince one juror in a state full of bigots and gun nuts. eom Hoyt May 2013 #62

Nothing up his sleeve pokerfan May 2013 #70

O'Mara absolutely positively customerserviceguy May 2013 #77

What could he *possibly* have up his sleeve? Blue_Tires May 2013 #90

I guess we'll see customerserviceguy May 2013 #91