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DanTex

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47. Actually, data are facts.

Thu May 2, 2013, 01:43 PM

May 2013

It's true that there could be (and probably are) other factors involved. But the data don't support the hypothesis that the homicide differential between the US and the rest of the first world is due to culture, because we don't have higher rates of violent crime across the board. We have more guns, and since guns are more lethal than other weapons, we have more homicide.

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Some cultures ARE wrong [View all] Uzair May 2013 OP

To judge something wrong you have to have a standard aristocles May 2013 #1

No one needs to have a standard or a thesis or a flow chart. We are not robots. randome May 2013 #3

I am guessing that your gripe with robots has something to do with HereSince1628 May 2013 #13

Emotions do factor into our decisions. randome May 2013 #17

The Declaration of Independence is based on the opinions of one group The2ndWheel May 2013 #25

Yes exactly. Homo sapiens behavior relies tremendously upon acquired information HereSince1628 May 2013 #28

We don't need no stinkin' standards ...... oldhippie May 2013 #7

Do no harm. -nt CrispyQ May 2013 #11

That's a surprisingly thorny issue for a heterotrophic species HereSince1628 May 2013 #20

Agreed, it is. CrispyQ May 2013 #43

or more aptly, Do know harm. smart post galileoreloaded May 2013 #83

My standard is the facts Uzair May 2013 #23

Those are not facts, just data aristocles May 2013 #40

Actually, data are facts. DanTex May 2013 #47

Data are unanalyzed, unorganized, unjudged. Facts have been analyzed, weighed, and judged. aristocles May 2013 #64

Equality bhikkhu May 2013 #38

Most people have a standard, but just can't necessarily express it cogently. Bake May 2013 #45

Ridiculous assertion. Who needs a "standard" to know that dead children is the wrong outcome? sibelian May 2013 #48

The "wrongness" comes from you, not the culture. ZombieHorde May 2013 #2

So what is your opinion on America's alcohol culture? hack89 May 2013 #4

Alcohol is an indirect cause of misery. randome May 2013 #10

I don't need you to tell me to question my ways, premium May 2013 #5

Sorry, but Americans, especially on this board, are constantly being told to "question their ways" whathehell May 2013 #30

Hey, I'm all for butting out of other peoples/countries lives. premium May 2013 #44

Yep. whathehell May 2013 #67

Not. Quite. Sure. premium May 2013 #68

Okay, I was a little unsure myself. whathehell May 2013 #72

Yes, I was born and raised in the U.S., premium May 2013 #75

Okay, I understand. whathehell May 2013 #76

Maybe, premium May 2013 #77

Okay, but I do believe that a four or five year old kid is WAY too young to be handling guns. whathehell May 2013 #78

And I agree that 4 or 5 is too young to be handling a firearm premium May 2013 #79

We seem to be in agreement, then. n/t whathehell May 2013 #80

You shouldn't. sibelian May 2013 #49

Of course you are comfortable with it laundry_queen May 2013 #31

No, I believe in freedom of choice to choose how I live, premium May 2013 #41

Well, the abuse of the word "freedom" certainly is a right-wing thing. DanTex May 2013 #50

You have the freedom to think what you want, premium May 2013 #52

Well that's a strange non sequitur. DanTex May 2013 #53

Yeah, after I hit the post my reply tab, premium May 2013 #55

Of course you should be able to raise your kids how you want to. DanTex May 2013 #56

Ok, I got it. premium May 2013 #57

That's interesting considering right and wrong are culturally derived kudzu22 May 2013 #6

There are few moral absolutes, but I think most here would agree that killing people on the basis whathehell May 2013 #32

The belief that right and wrong are culturally derived is itself culturally derived. DanTex May 2013 #58

Well, it's wrong in our culture. kudzu22 May 2013 #62

Wrong and right are culturally derived aristocles May 2013 #8

If you were a Saudi man, you mean. Therein lies a great deal of disconnect, I think. randome May 2013 #9

I meant that...If I were a Saudi man nt aristocles May 2013 #12

Thank you. I pointed out the same fact whathehell May 2013 #82

Sure, just like slavery culture was a good thing if one was a rich plantation owner geek tragedy May 2013 #15

If that was your culture you would consider it right aristocles May 2013 #16

Objectively, there is nothing of value in humanity, Earth, or the universe. geek tragedy May 2013 #21

So, if there are no objective values how do you evaluate anything? n/t aristocles May 2013 #24

By not worrying about the lack of objective values. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #29

And so your evaluations are meaningless, unless you can convince others to evaluate the same way aristocles May 2013 #34

My opinions have meaning to me. geek tragedy May 2013 #36

We're discussing how you evaluate something...not your opinions. n/t aristocles May 2013 #37

Quite so. whathehell May 2013 #85

"If I were a Saudi, the lower status of women would be right". Maybe not if you were a woman whathehell May 2013 #35

Certain elements of every culture can be labeled 'wrong' but it gets into geek tragedy May 2013 #14

agreed. one has to recognize that one's idea of a culture.. Phillip McCleod May 2013 #18

Religion is so interwoven with SA culture, it's difficult to see the trees for the forest. randome May 2013 #19

Yeah, what part is religion and what part is cultural practice that has become identified geek tragedy May 2013 #22

If a practice harms no one, it should be ignored. randome May 2013 #26

Welcome to DU Turborama May 2013 #27

I completely agree with you get the red out May 2013 #33

How does that make you any better than the "culture" that decided native cultures were inferior? DonP May 2013 #39

Why do we need to be 'better'? randome May 2013 #42

I was brought up by parents that felt abelenkpe May 2013 #46

Just wait. All cultures will die out eventually and new good and bad cultures will start. cbdo2007 May 2013 #51

I would say ALL cultures are wrong, some more than others. bemildred May 2013 #54

There's nothing wrong with pointing out certain bad things about certain cultures. DanTex May 2013 #60

It is entirely possible, on the other hand, to criticize the bad things without bemildred May 2013 #63

Yes it is. n/t whathehell May 2013 #81

Thank you for the hit-and-run shitstirring flamebait, lol. Enjoy your stay. kestrel91316 May 2013 #59

you should put that in a sig line Kali May 2013 #61

I actually laughed out loud. pintobean May 2013 #65

... Kali May 2013 #66

Well said marions ghost May 2013 #69

another authoritarian "for the children" spiel. at least you are consistent. n/t galileoreloaded May 2013 #70

I think that the bottom line is that if you are harming another human being smirkymonkey May 2013 #71

It's possible to condemn certain practices BainsBane May 2013 #73

Would it be easier to state that just about ALL cultures have both relative wrongs & rights? nt MrScorpio May 2013 #74

I say to each their own. Knightraven May 2013 #84