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baldguy

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32. Guns can't think & react based on how they're trained. Dogs can.

Sun May 5, 2013, 09:53 AM

May 2013

And the biggest problem with guns is that there's a huge multibillion dollar industry (supported by gun owners) that is devoted to opposing any kind of reforms, keeping dangerous weapons in circulation & making it impossible to enforce any kind of responsibility on gun owners.

Animal rescue operations operate on a shoestring, work to rehabilitate abused animals (and if they can't in the rare unfortunate case, they'll destroy the animal), they advocate endlessly for laws to keep animals away from abusive people, try to make sure those people are properly punished under those laws, and provide training to the public to help people be responsible with their animals. EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT GUN OWNERS DO!

What is the result?: ~30 deaths each year from dogs & ~30,000 deaths each year from guns. Gun owners are about 1000x more dangerous than dog owners.

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I'm for gun control and pit bull control. [View all] boston bean May 2013 OP

+1 DrDan May 2013 #1

Me too! baldguy May 2013 #2

I dont' want to live with guns all around me, and people telling me I need one to keep myself boston bean May 2013 #3

psssst...........Your ridiculous false equivalency is showing. PeaceNikki May 2013 #4

pssst, psssst, psssst.. boston bean May 2013 #5

I don't have a Pit Bull to protect myself from other people with Pit Bulls. baldguy May 2013 #6

And further, NO defender of pits has or ever would make the argument this person claimed. PeaceNikki May 2013 #7

I never said they did. You say I said that, but that is not what I said. nt boston bean May 2013 #9

"Next thing you'll hear from pit bull owners, is that we all need one to keep ourselves safe... PeaceNikki May 2013 #11

Right, I never said they were saying it. boston bean May 2013 #12

You mean bullshit hyperbole? PeaceNikki May 2013 #13

In your mind maybe, but stop making up bullshit. boston bean May 2013 #14

Unless you've actually heard that argument made, it's bullshit hyperbole. Not "flair". PeaceNikki May 2013 #15

I guess you know best peacenikki. boston bean May 2013 #17

Orchid looks alot like the pit that bit me yesterday blueamy66 May 2013 #65

What did the dog's owner look like? That's who you should be mad at. baldguy May 2013 #67

Yes, because it is know that men with mustaches and red tshirts are known attackers.... blueamy66 May 2013 #70

Um... hate to tell you, but AmStaffs are Pit Bulls. baldguy May 2013 #72

One of the breeds most commonly called "pits", too. PeaceNikki May 2013 #76

I was bitten by a domestic animal; 4 days in the hospital, nearly died REP May 2013 #122

not much better zerosumgame0005 May 2013 #63

Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #78

Welcome to DU! Glad to see you! Auntie Bush May 2013 #95

+1 In_The_Wind May 2013 #8

I'm all for stupidity control and I ain't getting that either. hobbit709 May 2013 #10

Pit bulls do not bite people, people do. Buzz Clik May 2013 #16

Or... golden retrievers? PeaceNikki May 2013 #18

that article states it's a mix. boston bean May 2013 #20

uh huh. And "pit bull" isn't a breed. PeaceNikki May 2013 #22

uh huh? does that mean that pit bulls don't exist, really? boston bean May 2013 #23

German Shepherds and Labs, too? PeaceNikki May 2013 #19

nope, just pit bull control. nt boston bean May 2013 #21

Got it. Your opinion is more akin to the RW hatred towards Muslims... PeaceNikki May 2013 #24

That is fucking hilarious! I am roflmao! boston bean May 2013 #25

"NRA talking point" pipoman May 2013 #28

uh... PeaceNikki May 2013 #34

Not even close..LOL..you "NRA talking point" pipoman May 2013 #87

I have no clue who or what you are defending. PeaceNikki May 2013 #92

And there's where you fail. baldguy May 2013 #27

That is what right wingers say about irresponsible gun owners. boston bean May 2013 #29

And a gun can't be trained. How safe it is depends on the individual who's carrying it. baldguy May 2013 #31

Right. But it can be used responsibly. boston bean May 2013 #33

If, god forbid, my Pit Bull ever fell into the hands of an irresponsible human, she would suffer. baldguy May 2013 #50

Someone else is tellling me that dogs act independently, unlike a gun. boston bean May 2013 #51

You're reading conflict into somewhere there is none. baldguy May 2013 #61

And where you fail.. pipoman May 2013 #30

Guns can't think & react based on how they're trained. Dogs can. baldguy May 2013 #32

The fact you can't the correlation between these two very similar pipoman May 2013 #97

You didn't read my post. Or if you did, you couldn't comprehend it. baldguy May 2013 #99

No, there isn't a correlation pipoman May 2013 #105

So, now you agree there isn't a correlation? baldguy May 2013 #108

No, there's a correlation pipoman May 2013 #111

Your Post # 105: "No, there isn't a correlation." baldguy May 2013 #113

Stupidest post EVER.. pipoman May 2013 #114

You're contradicting yourself & now you're trying to squirm out from under the pile of shit you left baldguy May 2013 #115

LOL...You're forgetting other people can see and read.. pipoman May 2013 #117

Yes, they can. And they can see how full of shit you are. baldguy May 2013 #118

'Anger is the first step to enlightenment' or some such..LOL pipoman May 2013 #119

How much anger do you have that you need to allow the slaughter to continue? baldguy May 2013 #123

No, just helping a friend see himself as others see him.. pipoman May 2013 #124

They see that I'm right & that the NRA stooge is wrong. baldguy May 2013 #126

LOL..blatent duplicity is such a funny human behavior... pipoman May 2013 #127

And seeing RWrs laugh at the tragedies they create is sickening. baldguy May 2013 #128

If they require special training & socialization, why shouldn't they be more tightly regulated? Orrex May 2013 #37

That statement is true of all dogs, especially large/strong breeds. PeaceNikki May 2013 #38

Are there a lot of maulings by golden retrievers? Orrex May 2013 #40

uh... that is a new story. You didn't even read it. PeaceNikki May 2013 #42

Whoops--shame on me for assuming. Orrex May 2013 #46

ok PeaceNikki May 2013 #49

But that's not a get-out-of-jail-free card Orrex May 2013 #56

News stories are the most accurate & reliable way to determine a dogs breed. baldguy May 2013 #41

Your statement was ambiguous: Orrex May 2013 #47

All dogs need proper training & socialization. You're the one singling out Pit Bulls. baldguy May 2013 #54

You listed them by name, which means that you singled them out. Orrex May 2013 #60

We are in agreement then. Dog owners should be responsible for the actions their dogs. baldguy May 2013 #66

I can agree with that, but could you clarify something? Orrex May 2013 #68

That's the idea behind Breed Specific Legislation. baldguy May 2013 #71

Where are all the inaccurate news reports on pit bull attacks. boston bean May 2013 #73

There's acually a place taht does study these - the National Canine Research Council. baldguy May 2013 #81

Just like every news story about a shooting... doggie breath May 2013 #89

So you support the little bastard daschshund who demolished my kale last week? Scootaloo May 2013 #93

Why don't you try for dog control, period? truebluegreen May 2013 #101

Hmm.. pipoman May 2013 #26

From that same article... Dr Hobbitstein May 2013 #39

Tell it to someone else.. pipoman May 2013 #88

As are guns.... truebluegreen May 2013 #102

Absolutely.. pipoman May 2013 #104

Apparently you don't: A pit bull... Dr Hobbitstein May 2013 #106

you know less than nothing about me.. pipoman May 2013 #110

It's been explained to you... Dr Hobbitstein May 2013 #121

The two are not equivalent at all. MineralMan May 2013 #35

You seem to miss the point where there is great similarity. boston bean May 2013 #43

No. It is you who are missing the point. MineralMan May 2013 #44

It is the responsibility of the owner of the dog or the gun. boston bean May 2013 #45

Sorry. In one case, the owner must actively control the dog MineralMan May 2013 #48

Prevent and cause in your post to me.... seems to be the same to me. boston bean May 2013 #53

Control of a firearm is also required to MineralMan May 2013 #57

Tell your story to a victim of pit bull that was uncontrolled. boston bean May 2013 #59

I give up... MineralMan May 2013 #62

ok, it seems we both agree that the boston bean May 2013 #69

After following this discussion, one thing is very clear to me - jazzimov May 2013 #125

omg, you are uppityperson May 2013 #82

Either that, or a very large elf. I'm not sure, and MineralMan May 2013 #83

What a good looking dog you got yourself, Mineral Man. Evoman May 2013 #96

... rrneck May 2013 #36

+1 Go Vols May 2013 #64

... progressoid May 2013 #77

Instead of gun control, I'm in favor of getting rid of the 2nd Amendment. Apophis May 2013 #52

I hate those damn dogs quinnox May 2013 #55

Yum. flvegan May 2013 #80

Yep, I gotta agree. n/t RebelOne May 2013 #85

I used to be for bowel control, ZombieHorde May 2013 #58

Also, nobody should ever eat at the Olive Garden, period... Hippo_Tron May 2013 #74

I have eaten there on a few occasions, but not recently. boston bean May 2013 #75

How would you go about... one_voice May 2013 #79

This is a prime example of a failed BSL. baldguy May 2013 #86

The SPCA is full of Pit Bulls... one_voice May 2013 #94

+1000 truebluegreen May 2013 #103

Agreed. Pit bulls should never have guns. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #84

I would sooner trust a neighbor with a gun Jenoch May 2013 #90

I am for all those things as well as arely staircase May 2013 #91

I'm for FACTS. jazzimov May 2013 #98

Im for bad analogy control LostOne4Ever May 2013 #100

I agree on gun control disagree on pit bull control Arcanetrance May 2013 #107

My brother has a pit bull - such a sweet little girl derby378 May 2013 #109

I miss UNREC. n/t zappaman May 2013 #112

I think many problems around guns and hyper-aggresive dogs can be traced back to similar stuff Warren DeMontague May 2013 #116

Great thread! pipoman May 2013 #120