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graham4anything

(11,464 posts) Tue May 7, 2013, 06:01 AM May 2013

With full and proper security & cameras- the 3 kidnapped women found yesterday [View all]

might have been found on day one
OR
might never have been kidnapped at all if the people who did it knew they would be discovered instantly

Cameras everywhere can go far in stopping abuse of all kind

Maybe Etan Paitz would still be alive today with 2013 security in place then

instead of thinking of negatives all the time, stop and think about the positives.

Maybe Elizabeth Smart would never have gone through the ordeal she went through

etc.

people speak about freedom and freedom taken away, mostly in conceptual thoughts

Then real life sneaks up and smacks us in the face-
freedom. The 3 (now adults) know about REAL freedom lost and now found.

And one shivers in fear that perhaps it wasn't only 3 and there might have been more.

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With full and proper security & cameras- the 3 kidnapped women found yesterday [View all] graham4anything May 2013 OP

Welcome to the brave new world of G4A, where everyone has to live in Gitmo. hobbit709 May 2013 #1

I just shake my head in sorrow and sigh. graham4anything May 2013 #8

Evidently you are the one that doesn't understand freedom and liberty. hobbit709 May 2013 #11

My Jewish mother was kicked out of Austria because a drone didn't drop on Hitler graham4anything May 2013 #14

to take your non sequitur points in order. hobbit709 May 2013 #15

My mother born in Austria is Jewish and you bought Austria into the conversation. graham4anything May 2013 #18

you seem to have an inability to answer the questions asked but always misdirect instead. hobbit709 May 2013 #19

Geeeeeeeeeez dude, premium May 2013 #49

Any society that would give up a little security to gain a little liberty baldguy May 2013 #50

I never patented my inventions. I never enforced copyright on any of my works. Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #166

HA! Backwards Franklin! baldguy May 2013 #167

Real freedom and real security are indeed intertwined. Giving government the ability to monitor Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #171

. baldguy May 2013 #172

I'll have what you're smoking. WinkyDink May 2013 #81

Gish Gallop blm May 2013 #92

"kicked out of"? As for Hitler: The Allies NEVER bombed the rail-lines, so mull THAT one over. WinkyDink May 2013 #80

Funny you mentioned this... KansDem May 2013 #100

And even with defeat imminent, the Nazis kept the camp-trains moving. WinkyDink May 2013 #128

BUT HITLER WOULD HAVE HAD THE CAMERAS. Oops! Flaw in your plan. WinkyDink May 2013 #87

We are fighting against the world of Orwell's 1984. kestrel91316 May 2013 #104

Correction: "everyone has to live in Gitmo for their own protection." /nt demwing May 2013 #101

I was discussing this earlier Riftaxe May 2013 #2

Gina DeJesus, Amanda Berry and Michele Knight were found alive...(link to story inc.) graham4anything May 2013 #6

thanks! nt Riftaxe May 2013 #12

Let's put a camera in your bedroom. trumad May 2013 #3

Another one? pinboy3niner May 2013 #4

How about cameras implanted into everyone's forehead? Turborama May 2013 #7

Yet people pay $100s to have GPS in their cars and mapquest on their computers graham4anything May 2013 #10

So, what are you saying? that forehead-cams and microchipping kids isn't a bad idea? n/t Turborama May 2013 #20

wellness is in. Cigarettes, 48 ounce sugar rushes & guns, bullets are out graham4anything May 2013 #21

That doesn't make any sense. n/t Turborama May 2013 #23

NONE of G4A's posts do. hobbit709 May 2013 #24

He is due his beer and travel money!! madinmaryland May 2013 #126

Where has azmom May 2013 #146

Welcome to DU! madinmaryland May 2013 #150

Thanks azmom May 2013 #158

Isn't it obvious? pinboy3niner May 2013 #25

Some see what they want to see and disregard the rest, la la la '(c) paul simon graham4anything May 2013 #42

You forget that Simon also wrote 'The Dangling Conversation' pinboy3niner May 2013 #48

I see a bridge and someone who resides under it. nt Guy Whitey Corngood May 2013 #170

He never does. premium May 2013 #51

I recommend the absurdist dressing JHB May 2013 #91

Can we please get g4a LondonReign2 May 2013 #84

Damn TheFutureWillCome May 2013 #106

Welcome to DU pinboy3niner May 2013 #109

thanks TheFutureWillCome May 2013 #143

Eggs Benedict Recipe uppityperson May 2013 #161

and some of us can actually make discerning judgments, dearie. cali May 2013 #32

It then appears many people still cherish the ability to choose, LanternWaste May 2013 #71

Yes, there are those WHO CHOOSE TO DO THESE THINGS. KEY WORD: CHOICE. WinkyDink May 2013 #83

Okay glass... nt rrneck May 2013 #123

It was how that caught that traitorous Winston Smith. n/t Chan790 May 2013 #16

But he learned to love Big Brother. A happy ending. riqster May 2013 #36

Only fair, we've had a camera in yours for a month, easy demwing May 2013 #111

Who knew he'd scream like that in the throes of passion? pinboy3niner May 2013 #114

I'm sure he'd been more than willing to share that with everyone. alarimer May 2013 #133

We need door to door searches of every house!! RandiFan1290 May 2013 #5

And thorough, full body cavity searches of everybody pinboy3niner May 2013 #9

If we just surrender all rights to the state we can have ice cream every day. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #13

...and chocolate rations. That's doubleplusgood! n/t Chan790 May 2013 #17

I think you should lead the way pintobean May 2013 #22

+1 cali May 2013 #33

You need to rethink this. Cameras have not prevented bank robberies or Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #26

Are you sure that quote wasn't from Bing Crosby? pinboy3niner May 2013 #28

Now that you mention it....... Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #31

No. It was Bill Cosby. tblue May 2013 #113

Ben Franklin said- an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Better quote. graham4anything May 2013 #38

bullshit. he most certainly was NOT fucking talking about drones and cameras, pumpkin cali May 2013 #41

Yes, he was talking about it. And his temporary security was guns/bullets he was against graham4anything May 2013 #43

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? premium May 2013 #54

He's a performance artist of a sort JHB May 2013 #94

Absurd! n/t Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #44

it's Benny and the Jets, Jets=drones. graham4anything May 2013 #45

And 'Who'll Stop the Rain' = nukes pinboy3niner May 2013 #65

who also said according to most people "there on the bathroom on the right" graham4anything May 2013 #66

I personally heard him sing the line, "There's a bathroom on the right" at several concerts pinboy3niner May 2013 #74

Bullshit! I have it on good authority that it was Bing Crosby who said that! pinboy3niner May 2013 #52

A killing DRONE = "an OUNCE of prevention"? WinkyDink May 2013 #85

You my friend and your ideas are everything he was against Arcanetrance May 2013 #122

the use of the false linkage of the year expands into a new realm HereSince1628 May 2013 #57

and the 2nd part of that statement you reply too, that poster also is wrong proven by Boston graham4anything May 2013 #64

Suuure. Every criminal in London is now caught. Right. WinkyDink May 2013 #86

Good idea! Let's end lawyer-client privilege too. MannyGoldstein May 2013 #27

+1 idwiyo May 2013 #37

The ACLU got Oliver North and any discussion of Iran/Contra off. graham4anything May 2013 #40

Like your rights are gone, yet you post thousands of times on an international board graham4anything May 2013 #46

See Manny? LondonReign2 May 2013 #89

I will consider myself schooled. MannyGoldstein May 2013 #108

gad. disgusting. your post is frightening in its eagerness cali May 2013 #29

Do you really think he believes the crap he spews? Hassin Bin Sober May 2013 #53

I'm starting to suspect its all an elaborate piece of performance art LondonReign2 May 2013 #96

lol cali May 2013 #99

I see this suggestion has gone over like a lead balloon. LOL reformist2 May 2013 #30

alas, that never ever gives the poster pause. cali May 2013 #34

99 Red Balloons=Anthrax! JHB May 2013 #98

This is just silly, Are you posting this type of stuff boston bean May 2013 #35

!!! Heidi May 2013 #61

I was trying to be non-confrontational today! boston bean May 2013 #63

You gotta cut that out, b b! Heidi May 2013 #67

We all got to mix it up sometimes, no? boston bean May 2013 #70

Indeed! Heidi May 2013 #73

same here! boston bean May 2013 #110

of course among other things, this post is fucking ridiculous cali May 2013 #39

Cameras in public places, yes. But 'cameras everywhere' is too much. randome May 2013 #47

I always thought I knew who you were. NCTraveler May 2013 #55

I think he's a cross of LoZo and Random Thoughts. hobbit709 May 2013 #59

Even Random Thoughts seemed to have a purpose. NCTraveler May 2013 #68

Naw, more iverglas + Random Thoughts. Dr. Strange May 2013 #124

EGADS!! A cross between... madinmaryland May 2013 #127

Not likely. Dr. Strange May 2013 #131

Yeah. There are a brazilian reasons why that would never happen!! madinmaryland May 2013 #134

Don't forget the Bloomberg fetish, hero worship. oneshooter May 2013 #162

Huh? madinmaryland May 2013 #165

My mistake. oneshooter May 2013 #168

Not vicious enough for iverglas. hobbit709 May 2013 #144

With full and proper security & cameras Anne Frank wouldn't ever have made it into hiding Fumesucker May 2013 #56

Or nothing at all would have changed. LanternWaste May 2013 #58

I notice your screen name isn't your full name Dreamer Tatum May 2013 #60

The key to performance art is to quit while you're ahead. Brickbat May 2013 #62

That may be the key to distinguishing a performance artist from a Heidi May 2013 #69

Indeed. Brickbat May 2013 #72

I think what we're seeing here Heidi May 2013 #77

Still going at it... Brickbat May 2013 #82

Sadly not. He passed away last year after a major stroke. Turborama May 2013 #117

Yeah, I know. But he's Forever In Our Hearts. Brickbat May 2013 #119

And GPS microchips! Courtesy Flush May 2013 #75

Maybe Mayor Bloomberg would have an even larger data base of pics and names.... Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #76

Remember Jaycee Lee Dugard? Courtesy Flush May 2013 #78

LONDON: "Tens of thousands of CCTV cameras, yet 80% of crime unsolved" WinkyDink May 2013 #79

It worked perfectly in New Orleans. bluedigger May 2013 #88

What the paranoid anti-security morons fail to comprehend baldguy May 2013 #90

Anticipating advances in technology is so moronic Fumesucker May 2013 #105

The time to develop the rules for using this technology is *NOW*. baldguy May 2013 #142

"....shivers in fear...." Iggo May 2013 #93

At some point, DU admins must step in and act to eliminate disruptors pinboy3niner May 2013 #95

I think a better option would be if you ignore the posts that seem nonsensical. randome May 2013 #97

A good ATA question. n/t Gormy Cuss May 2013 #138

I have no problem with individuals having security cameras gvstn May 2013 #102

I don't want to live in a world where Big Brother is kestrel91316 May 2013 #103

people speak about freedom bobduca May 2013 #107

There were witnesses to the Berry abduction... SidDithers May 2013 #112

This is a joke, right? liberalmuse May 2013 #115

He's a caricature. We're having our collective legs pulled. X_Digger May 2013 #147

Im not sure if you're a perfomance artist or a troll demwing May 2013 #116

Perfomance Troll or a Trolling Performer? oneshooter May 2013 #163

With proper surveillance of your liquor cabinet, this ill-considered post might have been avoided. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #118

lmao SammyWinstonJack May 2013 #135

If it saves just one life...And I would be against this, but then people will yell libertarian The Straight Story May 2013 #120

Stalin lives! nt Zorra May 2013 #121

This has to be satire. Right? Safetykitten May 2013 #125

there was a book, I recal, hmmm... Locrian May 2013 #129

Bullshit alarimer May 2013 #130

Masterfull trolling. I salute you sir. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #132

Elizabeth Smart was many times in full view of people in Salt Lake City, Cleita May 2013 #136

if one is out in public, there is NO right to privacy graham4anything May 2013 #140

In Austria, after the Anschluss, the new government was very fond of surveillance. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #149

Again, I am Jewish. America is NOT Austria, as much as the extremists which to say it is graham4anything May 2013 #156

And, the Austrians probably said Austria wasn't Germany. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #157

With all due respect and kindness.... steve2470 May 2013 #137

Whatever happened to the unrec feature? lpbk2713 May 2013 #139

that's great! PD Turk May 2013 #141

Well, I gotta say, your ideas are certainly premium May 2013 #145

Wow. Is this a deliberate flame post? Matariki May 2013 #148

Dash cam in every car, on every gun, with police access to your images Coyotl May 2013 #151

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #152

WOW, you sure are a pro with those smilies and throwing attacks at DUers for a n00b. PeaceNikki May 2013 #153

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #154

Even better yet SirRevolutionary May 2013 #155

K&R for all the replies to this OP. I concur, G4A is due his beer and travel money. txwhitedove May 2013 #159

I stopped reading at cameras everywhere. rl6214 May 2013 #160

It didn't get any better. oneshooter May 2013 #164

They shoot horses, don't they? Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2013 #173

It amuses me greatly to see how many people have been taken in by this fine piece of satire Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #174