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lindysalsagal

(22,843 posts) Tue May 7, 2013, 06:49 PM May 2013

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We all know men who think they deserve to own women: This is a horrifying exaggeration of that. [View all]

But they don't usually go to these lengths to make it a reality.

I think this is really scary because there is still a tendency for some men to think everything is here for their use, including women. It's not guaranteed that men see women as equal, autonomous, valued, independent people. There is still a strong thread of bias here in america where men truly believe their desires should prevail over everyone else's rights.

I know you're all going to jump all over this thread with "Well, my husband sure isn't like that so you should be thrown off the board."

Fine. Be argumentative. If it makes you really happy. But this is where you get polygamists and abusers and abandoners- there are many men who truly don't see the value in another being, except in how that person can serve them. And here are three of them, watching the other 2, all believing that they had the right to do what they did.

I know women who's exes would not let them go, and when the courts finally intervened, they still continued the harassment and gate-keeping. This is why we have women's shelters in every city:

Some men are still in the cave man stage.

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We all know men who think they deserve to own women: This is a horrifying exaggeration of that. [View all] lindysalsagal May 2013 OP

Excuse me, I don't know any men that want to own upaloopa May 2013 #1

How old are you? lindysalsagal May 2013 #3

I'll be 67 next week. I don't need you to teach me about life! upaloopa May 2013 #7

Apparently, you do. lindysalsagal May 2013 #11

I really don't know how to deal with people like you. upaloopa May 2013 #12

This thread already has 8 recs in a few minutes. lindysalsagal May 2013 #14

So your posse recs you post gunners get that too upaloopa May 2013 #16

I have 0 posse, and I don't know anyone on here. I am not a chronic user. Sorry. lindysalsagal May 2013 #22

Recs mean bugger all on DU these days. A HERETIC I AM May 2013 #24

I just added another rec. Whisp May 2013 #54

I'm only surprised that I was the first to say it. lindysalsagal May 2013 #57

"Why do they take this so personally? " NCTraveler May 2013 #199

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #232

Feminazi? Are you a Rush fan that just made a wrong turn and ended up here? Whisp May 2013 #234

+1, or as our new member would say: sufrommich May 2013 #235

The great Limppaw labels all women with their own opinion feminazis. lindysalsagal May 2013 #304

Thats only because TPTB took away unrec krawhitham May 2013 #126

Mebbe DU isn't group therapy. cliffordu May 2013 #153

Denial? mzteris May 2013 #109

You need to find a new circle of friends krawhitham May 2013 #122

A circle of friends who needs to be told what to think. EOTE May 2013 #226

Thank you so much for telling women how to think! EOTE May 2013 #225

Age and experience do not neccessitate one another. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #46

Hey this is not about life. N_E_1 for Tennis May 2013 #208

So I wanted to wait awhile so you could get what you needed out of this OP and me. upaloopa May 2013 #102

"You are all about yourself and your need for gratification. " Pure projection. lindysalsagal May 2013 #308

Well my post has been turned over to the jury and it is still standing. You know why? Because upaloopa May 2013 #313

I've known more men than I can count who felt PatSeg May 2013 #205

And even among (many, not all) of the men I've known who are "good guys" Arugula Latte May 2013 #223

My father never treated my mother that way, PatSeg May 2013 #229

Feeling that you matter more than the other... Bonobo May 2013 #317

Damn. Aristus May 2013 #4

You find somewhere else. This is a reality. More assaults in the military today. lindysalsagal May 2013 #8

I know what's happening. I still don't know anyone upaloopa May 2013 #15

A very wise person told me once a long time ago SemperEadem May 2013 #53

A wiser person would say there is only one reality. upaloopa May 2013 #103

And a fool would claim to know it as their own allGoodThings May 2013 #178

Which one is that? lunatica May 2013 #183

As a white man, I don't claim to share the same "reality" as, say, a black man SwissTony May 2013 #188

No, only an old fool who's on the losing end of an argument SemperEadem May 2013 #211

You don't know shit about reality. You have your opinions based on the paradigm you see life upaloopa May 2013 #218

the exact same thing applies to you SemperEadem May 2013 #346

+10.000 smirkymonkey May 2013 #340

how can you be so sure you know everyone that well? Whisp May 2013 #56

+1 MadrasT May 2013 #61

YES YOU DO Skittles May 2013 #67

There it is: lindysalsagal May 2013 #71

it's like saying you don't know any gay people Skittles May 2013 #75

If you will remember some time back we had the same conversation and I told you I have a lot to upaloopa May 2013 #107

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #110

when I was in the military Skittles May 2013 #119

It is not all men with Asian wives but MattBaggins May 2013 #125

Yes, I agree wickerwoman May 2013 #131

So what? LittleBlue May 2013 #169

The problem is in defining femininity wickerwoman May 2013 #172

I think they're picking up on you saying "it's racist to begin with" Turborama May 2013 #173

I'm not saying it's racist to prefer a certain type. wickerwoman May 2013 #186

So, you don't see anything wrong with the initial assumption and are doubling down on it? Turborama May 2013 #190

I disagree with that post Aerows May 2013 #212

It's called a discussion. wickerwoman May 2013 #230

You are spot on.. AsahinaKimi May 2013 #213

Well said. Too bad your other post was unfairly hidden. redqueen May 2013 #315

That what people in Ariel Castro's neighborhood thought too BainsBane May 2013 #139

Just because you don't know anyone personally doesn't mean the attitude isn't out there justiceischeap May 2013 #179

Very well said. DLevine May 2013 #185

Wake up! N_E_1 for Tennis May 2013 #210

Most military sexual assaults are male on male, though Recursion May 2013 #159

There were 3364 assaults reported in the military this year BainsBane May 2013 #164

A DoD survey said 1% of males and 6% of females Recursion May 2013 #166

Sounds like those are separate surveys. BainsBane May 2013 #167

also 6% sounds very low BainsBane May 2013 #168

Will add what I wrote below - some Latin American countries flamingdem May 2013 #27

You couldn't defend the point in your first reference BainsBane May 2013 #141

Brazil never had any such law whopis01 May 2013 #182

Yes, thank you for that clarification BainsBane May 2013 #233

You must not get out much. Time and again this happens - kestrel91316 May 2013 #48

Some people just want a happy picture of reality, regardless of it's accuracy. lindysalsagal May 2013 #49

But there is a less extreme but more common version: Squinch May 2013 #97

excuse me heaven05 May 2013 #60

It never gets old. liberalmuse May 2013 #64

+1 nt freedom fighter jh May 2013 #98

more ++++++++++ from me BlancheSplanchnik May 2013 #106

Well I have a wife, a mother, a mother in law, sisters in law, nieces I've had lots of female upaloopa May 2013 #111

Thank you. Jamastiene May 2013 #181

+10000000000000 redqueen May 2013 #316

Hell yeah. You said it perfectly. Matariki May 2013 #323

Some men are extremely controlling of women as if they owned them Bjorn Against May 2013 #87

Thank you. I actually really enjoy men- but I know the realities of our society. lindysalsagal May 2013 #89

it seems anti-men to me hfojvt May 2013 #170

I'll introduce you to my ex, then you'll know one of them. n/t proReality May 2013 #93

Then you have had a wonderful or ignorant 76 years. JanMichael May 2013 #96

67 not 76. You fell better saying that shit to me? upaloopa May 2013 #112

The fact that you live in a cave and are proud of it is astounding. JanMichael May 2013 #216

why are you such an a hole? upaloopa May 2013 #217

I just notice you are the one cursing. "shit" "a hole" very cave like. Thanks. JanMichael May 2013 #280

it's the same as right-wingers railing against all muslims. Roland99 May 2013 #194

I have. LWolf May 2013 #195

You're fortunate. I'm glad for you. Trina May 2013 #200

Welcome to DU wryter2000 May 2013 #206

Powerful post. Thanks. And Welcome to DU! SunSeeker May 2013 #259

Welcome. Squinch May 2013 #267

welcome to DU, Trina Skittles May 2013 #292

WOOT! +1000000 Katashi_itto May 2013 #241

THIS on a progressive political discussion board. I love it. left coaster May 2013 #278

Most men aren't like this......but some sure as hell are. CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #2

my first husband was like that. DesertFlower May 2013 #19

I didn't know you then, and I never saw your hair like that... CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #23

i was young when i married him -- just 19 and DesertFlower May 2013 #33

More power to you! CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #37

The important thing is that you got out. Good for you. It's not easy sometimes. lindysalsagal May 2013 #29

i moved on. it was a long time ago. DesertFlower May 2013 #43

That's what I said, and they knew I meant business, too. Happy for your later happiness. freshwest May 2013 #115

You can tell the 67 year old poster you know of another story. Dustlawyer May 2013 #81

That's my point: This happens in many smaller ways in all of our lives. lindysalsagal May 2013 #84

I'm glad you posted this thread, and I love men... good ones. freshwest May 2013 #118

So are some women. The abuse is more likely to be verbal and emotional rather winter is coming May 2013 #92

You're quite right. n/t CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #95

I'm sorry that you know men like that. (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #5

I'm sorry there are men like that. n/t whathehell May 2013 #21

I am lucky in that I don't "know" any men like that. The men I have known (well enough to keep ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #6

Several posters seem to be more disturbed by the OP's assertion that we all know someone like this Gormy Cuss May 2013 #214

Once again, I have to draw exception with this sort of statement... Scootaloo May 2013 #9

+1. lol. good point. it is like when we say grown men are acting like 13 yr old boys. seabeyond May 2013 #193

Well... that works a little better Scootaloo May 2013 #239

ya. grown men saying stupid ass shit like this. nt seabeyond May 2013 #250

Just saying, wasn't at my most rational at that age Scootaloo May 2013 #264

see. an interest in breast, ya. all had an interest in the other sex. seabeyond May 2013 #285

That's not at all what I'm doing Scootaloo May 2013 #320

Interesting. Thanks for the info. Dash87 May 2013 #219

The day I find out I know someone who thinks he deserves to own women... cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #10

there are a lot on the web BainsBane May 2013 #13

If they're ostracized, singled out, and shunned like the monsters they are... cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #17

I don't think so BainsBane May 2013 #18

Okay. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #20

You and others doing just that is what will minimize it. Squinch May 2013 #100

Those involve voluntary dominance/submission between kestrel91316 May 2013 #50

There is widespread human trafficking BainsBane May 2013 #65

Many Latin American nations permit a man to shoot and kill flamingdem May 2013 #25

I think they're still burning women in india. Not sure. lindysalsagal May 2013 #31

Yes, of course, it's even worse there! flamingdem May 2013 #32

Do you mean Sati? SemperEadem May 2013 #59

Right. India. I think they also still have "honor killings" in india lindysalsagal May 2013 #62

Sharia law in India? BainsBane May 2013 #78

You're the one confusing these separate examples, so, stop complaining lindysalsagal May 2013 #79

Islam does not have a custom SemperEadem May 2013 #209

Then why did you put the two sentences together? BainsBane May 2013 #82

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #99

Puerto Rico is part of the US BainsBane May 2013 #108

really? BainsBane May 2013 #76

That is a false, hate-mongering, racist statement whopis01 May 2013 #184

That part doesn't matter as long as cliffordu May 2013 #201

I don't think that was what they were trying to do - at least not specifically whopis01 May 2013 #222

notice that members favorite group BainsBane May 2013 #242

where did you hear that? Enrique May 2013 #295

I think that's probably not true - what is your source? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #335

I've been "work-stalked" by a few of them magical thyme May 2013 #26

You're right: Some can't stand anyone who's their equal. lindysalsagal May 2013 #34

Most men think women are, in some capacity, items for consumption. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #28

Women work all day and then come home and start their second job: lindysalsagal May 2013 #36

Some men do help. Most men do not. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #40

Lots of women highly encourage that behavior Major Nikon May 2013 #135

You know one couple that does that cliffordu May 2013 #202

Domestic sex work is not an outlier. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #302

Lemme get this right: cliffordu May 2013 #306

Take a look at the time use surveys on the BLS website Major Nikon May 2013 #114

When did you develop that hypothesis? You sure as hell weren't born that way. Isn't it a bit upaloopa May 2013 #116

I find it flattering you think I built such a theory of my own volition. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #117

No, it is clear that you do not. Nice to trash a whole gender, though. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #220

It's not clear to you because you don't agree with me. But I do have a good understanding. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #301

Sexist Major Nikon May 2013 #136

Yeah...no. My argument is not essentialist. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #138

Some vs "most" Major Nikon May 2013 #146

I dont think you know the basic definitions of those words. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #147

Methinks you should find other rhetorical devices besides condescension Major Nikon May 2013 #149

Untrue. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #336

Definitely true. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #338

I suggest you consider what the word "most" means. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #345

And believe it or not, there are women who want to be "owned". A HERETIC I AM May 2013 #30

But I doubt that means they want to be abused flamingdem May 2013 #35

There is abuse and then there is something else. A HERETIC I AM May 2013 #42

Oh thaaat stuff. That doesn't count, it's another flamingdem May 2013 #51

I think, though, it does count.. on this jackass` part at least.. opiate69 May 2013 #58

What do you suppose makes someone go to that level? BainsBane May 2013 #268

Honestly, I think both are possible. opiate69 May 2013 #270

he had a dungeon set up BainsBane May 2013 #273

Yeah.. which is why I've been trying to poke around Fetlife... opiate69 May 2013 #276

Who did she kill? BainsBane May 2013 #282

her former therapist/lover.... very weird case... opiate69 May 2013 #283

Wow BainsBane May 2013 #291

Yeah.. there`s a lot about the reporting that leaves a bunch to be desired.. opiate69 May 2013 #307

Creepy BainsBane May 2013 #312

Yup.. it`s a crazy little world we have here, innit? opiate69 May 2013 #314

Also.. just for old times sake, here's an accounting of another now-convicted murderer whom I knew.. opiate69 May 2013 #318

Life takes strange turns BainsBane May 2013 #324

This is really a bogus posit cliffordu May 2013 #207

Sad to say, I think you're right. Not gonna be me. lindysalsagal May 2013 #38

And that's fine. A HERETIC I AM May 2013 #45

Everyone needs a good Heretic in their corner! lindysalsagal May 2013 #47

Those women are called Republicans, and they probably all kestrel91316 May 2013 #52

Judeo-christian tradition begins with Mary as a prostitute and Eve a greedy corruptor. lindysalsagal May 2013 #55

Mary was a prostitute? NealK May 2013 #228

Mary Magdalene. Interesting, how she and his mother are both Marys.... lindysalsagal May 2013 #303

Actually, 2 of the 4 women that I said I knew.... A HERETIC I AM May 2013 #66

i don't see how anyone with those views can be considered liberal JI7 May 2013 #152

I think this part is intriguing. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #39

It is precisely the case that men have such a monopoly. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #41

No, it's not a monopoly. jeff47 May 2013 #63

It is a monopoly. Your ex wife does not negate that fact. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #69

So you're saying I need to link the definition of monopoly? (nt) jeff47 May 2013 #72

You can if you'd like. Although it won't help you. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #83

Apparently you need me to provide different links then jeff47 May 2013 #86

Wrong. A monopoly means exclusive control over _____ Gravitycollapse May 2013 #91

he he he, you gotta hell of a lesson coming i think. galileoreloaded May 2013 #74

Yes. Conditional and transactional. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #129

Funny then that men don't feel it is normal to carry around Bonobo May 2013 #160

ah the tragedy of youth galileoreloaded May 2013 #215

+1 cliffordu May 2013 #309

No. I just know that any good DU thread comes with personal threats. lindysalsagal May 2013 #44

To the extent that "the patriarchy" is a thing... lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #203

you use women in a utilitarian way. whenever an issue is posted that negatively affects women... CreekDog May 2013 #330

Whatever. You're talking to a voice command, self-propelled bottle opener. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #332

Why not just get a job with the GOP? Zavulon May 2013 #68

No one here is claiming all men think they own women. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #73

Exactly: Some believe they deserve to own women, but few take these steps to make it actually happen lindysalsagal May 2013 #77

Not all, just most Major Nikon May 2013 #137

Yes, in some capacity, most men think they possess women. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #140

Sounds more like a non sequitur Major Nikon May 2013 #148

They have no authority over me that I do not allow under informed consent. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #150

I don't understand either statement Major Nikon May 2013 #157

Sure they do LittleBlue May 2013 #163

It's practically official policy for Republicans. tclambert May 2013 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author Demo_Chris May 2013 #80

We have the new president of the NRA stating adieu May 2013 #85

Satire -- Hell Hath No Fury May 2013 #88

I got Poe'd? Really? adieu May 2013 #145

I believe you did. Thankfully. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #262

Snopes says that is false. Jamastiene May 2013 #191

Utter horseshit. I have never known anyone like that. Throd May 2013 #90

K&R. I do know men who think this way. It is disgusting and unacceptable. NRaleighLiberal May 2013 #94

Thank you. freshwest May 2013 #143

I don't know any men who think they own women LittleBlue May 2013 #101

I'm probalby not as with it as a lot of progressive men - I admit that I have had a tendency to piss Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #104

I wonder where you got your social science degree? We are all not made from some chemical formula upaloopa May 2013 #113

if you REALLY don't know ANY men who feel that way - you do need to learn about life Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #123

It is neither ancient nor impulsive. It is a product of socialization. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #120

at least since the rise of the agrarian era - as far as pre-history we don't know Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #124

Agrarian era? Are you referring to the rise of agriculture? Or Agrarianism? Gravitycollapse May 2013 #127

when humans started organizing Agriculture in the Fertile Crescent and in the Southern Arabian Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #151

Wow, so much absurdity in one post. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #156

there is such a thing as critical thinking and recognizing that causes and effects are complex Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #171

The absurdity in your post lies in the false belief that male violence is innate. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #305

of course it is not innate in the sense that it cannot be and should not be controlled. If that Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #311

whoa sparky. check yourself. galileoreloaded May 2013 #341

Those two statements are not mutually exclusive. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #342

in prose or in intent? galileoreloaded May 2013 #343

In logic. Learned responses can be inherently wrong. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #344

I agree. I have dated a lot of "nice", progressive men, but as the smirkymonkey May 2013 #293

Some polyamorists too. Triana May 2013 #105

We all probably know men like that but may not be aware of it Karia May 2013 #121

"We all know men who think they deserve to own women..." Jenoch May 2013 #128

Statistically, you probably know at least one wife who is physically abused by her husband. Squinch May 2013 #269

I am sure that is true. Jenoch May 2013 #287

And yet, the OP didn't say that her words applied to all men. And you have just agreed that, Squinch May 2013 #289

I got that tone Jenoch May 2013 #294

So your point of disagreement is the tone. Squinch May 2013 #298

Not in case. My ex harrasses me, continues to e-mail, text,... despite my best effort JackN415 May 2013 #130

Women who think they own their men... JackN415 May 2013 #132

Indeed the expectation that a man will work Bonobo May 2013 #161

"Work to support me" came from the attitude "don't work because I will support you." Gormy Cuss May 2013 #296

Right, because that's just like BainsBane May 2013 #165

Citing a single anecotal case to make a point is the most ignorant way to... JackN415 May 2013 #175

The point wasn't people doing stupid or criminal things BainsBane May 2013 #176

It's you who wrongfully misinterprete what I wrote. non-sequitur in your thinking and logic. JackN415 May 2013 #189

You responding to an OP talking about BainsBane May 2013 #246

there is no gender equality in criminal psychopaths BainsBane May 2013 #180

There is gender equality in non-criminal pyschopaths. It doesn't have to be criminal to cause... JackN415 May 2013 #187

Some are. Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #133

Fortunately, this is not so prevalent in Northern Europe, KitSileya May 2013 #134

Some do. XVI_Eyes May 2013 #142

+1 n/t JackN415 May 2013 #174

Guys who get mail order brides seem to be controlling. Manifestor_of_Light May 2013 #144

That's not the complaints I've heard from such men davidn3600 May 2013 #158

Men who get 'mail order brides' are pathetic scum. geek tragedy May 2013 #198

Isnt that the way any dating works though? davidn3600 May 2013 #237

Dating works by two people meeting and interacting in a social setting. geek tragedy May 2013 #238

Which is online dating, isn't it? davidn3600 May 2013 #243

The men are the customers, the women are the product. That's how the business model geek tragedy May 2013 #245

You are ignoring the question davidn3600 May 2013 #272

Ones that treat men and women as equals, no. geek tragedy May 2013 #274

that is certainly what they say allGoodThings May 2013 #204

I'm marrying a Japanese girl LittleBlue May 2013 #162

Wow. Just wait til she finds out how 'charming' you are. Matariki May 2013 #326

You're off base there LittleBlue May 2013 #327

So, if you are not thinking of your 'Japanese girl' as a commodity Matariki May 2013 #333

It is nice that you are so bothered by this LittleBlue May 2013 #337

It seems that your post was meant to bother and offend, so mission accomplished, I guess. Matariki May 2013 #339

This message was self-deleted by its author Matariki May 2013 #334

Many *people* don't value human beings. People express such a mentality differently.. RedCappedBandit May 2013 #154

Agreed wholeheartedly!!! N/T Inkfreak May 2013 #329

Hyperbole much? Apophis May 2013 #155

Criminal men imprisoned their women by locking them up. I was a male victim JackN415 May 2013 #177

The broadbrush attacks on men.. 99Forever May 2013 #192

Gee, big surprise that they didn't "express" that. Arugula Latte May 2013 #224

Nice jump to light speed you've got there. 99Forever May 2013 #231

So you and most men on DU have stories of their children being murdered by women? Arugula Latte May 2013 #244

Enjoy. 99Forever May 2013 #248

those are all DUers, huh? Scout May 2013 #255

I dunno. 99Forever May 2013 #256

Yeah, you missed the point. Arugula Latte May 2013 #261

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #263

You lost so you resort to the Teabagger insult. Arugula Latte May 2013 #265

what the fuck it has to do with ANYTHING is that was the subject of the post you replied to. Scout May 2013 #277

News flash: 99Forever May 2013 #286

you don't even have a point now Scout May 2013 #297

You know what? My ex used to talk like some posters replying to you here... JackN415 May 2013 #249

I just think they need to ... 99Forever May 2013 #252

I have to agree on this issue. Anyone who knows a troglodyte, misogynistic woman-owner Common Sense Party May 2013 #258

why do you assume they don't now have a different group of acquaintances? Scout May 2013 #279

I don't believe I did assume that. If a woman-owning cave man is among your acquaintances or social Common Sense Party May 2013 #281

why are you so upset? Whisp May 2013 #284

Upset? 99Forever May 2013 #288

take what? Whisp May 2013 #290

You really should not be commenting in this thread, as it is NOT about politics. Common Sense Party May 2013 #251

Ahhh... isn't that special? 99Forever May 2013 #253

Or did you have a political point to make? Common Sense Party May 2013 #254

Can you say Ignored? 99Forever May 2013 #257

The universe is entropy. Can you say 'entropy,' boys and girls? Common Sense Party May 2013 #271

Can you say locked out of the thread? JTFrog May 2013 #300

As a man, I agree. dotymed May 2013 #196

Yes... davidthegnome May 2013 #197

Bush said we should have an ownership society. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #221

theres also consentual BDSM lifestyle "ownership" of both men and women but....consent is the key... CarrieLynne May 2013 #227

"We all know X who think Y..." lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #236

+1 you and I fall into this troll-thread trap. Normally, I would skip stuffs like this. :) n/t JackN415 May 2013 #247

I am proud to say that I don't know any man like that. Rex May 2013 #240

Hate transcends gender Animal Chin May 2013 #260

Yes, I do know men like that. SunSeeker May 2013 #266

They're not all thugs marions ghost May 2013 #275

Here's an example of a doctor in Houston who has assaulted his wife. Manifestor_of_Light May 2013 #299

We all know Muslims who think that infidels should be shown no mercy FreeJoe May 2013 #310

Just please separate polygamy from polyamory tavalon May 2013 #319

... Zorra May 2013 #321

Truth ^^ opiate69 May 2013 #322

This was neither BainsBane May 2013 #325

we all know possessive women Enrique May 2013 #328

Everything is an object - and Paterfamilias never really left us Taverner May 2013 #331