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9. rape has got nothing to do with sex. n/t

Reply to RobertEarl (Reply #6)

Tue May 7, 2013, 10:46 PM

May 2013

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On rape culture discussions... [View all] Skidmore May 2013 OP

I just read this, I'm sorry it sunk. sufrommich May 2013 #1

It's why I stay out of GD during these times ismnotwasm May 2013 #2

back in the late 80's zerosumgame0005 May 2013 #88

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #3

Care to elaborate? siligut May 2013 #4

Doubtful. Hit and run. curlyred May 2013 #8

What I wanted to say would have banned me from the thread siligut May 2013 #10

As am I. curlyred May 2013 #12

Well at least the Jury was 6-0 ellisonz May 2013 #25

Good work! siligut May 2013 #27

I want to respond to michigandem58 and apologize to you for using your post Skidmore May 2013 #78

Skidmore, I am so sorry Sissyk May 2013 #87

This is eloquent and poignant siligut May 2013 #116

After I posted my response, I gave it some thought and elected to Skidmore May 2013 #117

that post sounded an awful lot like the pukes and nra nuts saying that nobody who is the victim niyad May 2013 #195

Possibly or just completely non-sequitur siligut May 2013 #197

here is just one of the comments, from inhofe (are we surprized?) niyad May 2013 #200

I'm convinced siligut May 2013 #201

all violent crime is a tragedy and i believe culture causes and culture can fix it galileoreloaded May 2013 #5

We are a culture that hides sex RobertEarl May 2013 #6

rape has got nothing to do with sex. n/t Whisp May 2013 #9

We know that, but the majority of society does not. nt siligut May 2013 #11

Rape does have at least something to do with sex. It uses sex as an expression of power and violence Gravitycollapse May 2013 #18

Thank you! nt raccoon May 2013 #49

I see what you are saying but Whisp May 2013 #50

Sex and intercourse are not the same. And if your definition is correct... Gravitycollapse May 2013 #52

If it's willing and agreed upon, then yes it is sex. Whisp May 2013 #53

actually, for the men who rape, it is experienced as sex zazen May 2013 #86

Yes. Absolutely. n/t Tansy_Gold May 2013 #103

Consider EMDR therapy? siligut May 2013 #7

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #13

I am astounded by your sensitivity and awareness... nt uriel1972 May 2013 #14

We all know where this is going, though, don't we? LittleBlue May 2013 #15

Men get raped too siligut May 2013 #17

why or how would anyone retaliate to this OP? G_j May 2013 #20

This thread isn't about gender... ellisonz May 2013 #22

Once again, it seems, discussing issues takes a backseat to personal beefs. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #31

DU reflects society pretty much (well with less Republicans). ellisonz May 2013 #33

I was referring to the unnecessarily snarky responses. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #35

Society can be pretty snarky. ellisonz May 2013 #36

I imagine that illustrating and discussing widespread violence... LanternWaste May 2013 #119

Thank you n/t HangOnKids May 2013 #129

Gosh. Sounds like this is a big old inconvenience for you. How could we all be so inconsiderate? Squinch May 2013 #177

if you think the subject has been done to death (although I fail to see how that is possible), you niyad May 2013 #196

Rape make life suck . bravenak May 2013 #202

Your post is disgusting. You should be ashamed. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #19

Some folks are so wrapped up in their own imagined grievances they can't see nomorenomore08 May 2013 #32

K&R Starry Messenger May 2013 #16

We arguably have a gun culture. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #21

Rape culture does exist. It is so massive that I find it hard to believe ANY ethical person... Gravitycollapse May 2013 #23

ty Whisp May 2013 #24

Ultimately millions of people suffer, who shouldn't have to suffer. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #34

It is not splitting hairs. It is identifying the source of the problem. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #37

I'll agree with that. But I was thinking more of the poster you replied to, who acknowledged nomorenomore08 May 2013 #42

It is apparent that most here consider it not hair splitting. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #187

I don't think anyone is outright blaming all men for the prevalence of sexual assault. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #198

You're either in denial or misunderstand what "culture" means in sociological terms. ellisonz May 2013 #29

Thank you for not holding your tongue. UtahLib May 2013 #39

If we have a rape culture, it is one that is diminishing, not growing. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #43

There are some other indicators though that suggest it's a mixed bag in terms of progress. ellisonz May 2013 #44

Well, this is a 15-year trend through 2010. I don't know if there is more recent data. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #45

Whether the numbers are "good" is a matter of expectation... ellisonz May 2013 #46

It is not a matter of if. We do have a rape culture. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #47

rape culture is growing by leaps and bounds in the military Whisp May 2013 #51

"Take some Sociology" opiate69 May 2013 #55

You're opposed to sociology as a discipline? ellisonz May 2013 #56

Well, to narrow it down, I'm more opposed to qualitative design as sociological research methodology opiate69 May 2013 #58

So you're arguing that "rape culture" can exist as a social fact because it's theoretically wrong? ellisonz May 2013 #59

I'm saying, at least in our (American) society... opiate69 May 2013 #60

I don't think you're well-read on this topic at all... ellisonz May 2013 #62

Ahh.. more logical fallacy from the soft-science cultists... opiate69 May 2013 #63

So in short - you haven't. ellisonz May 2013 #64

Oh, you're just too cute when you try to be condescending. opiate69 May 2013 #65

I'm gonna need a "Logical Fallacy Bingo Card" to keep this manure straight... opiate69 May 2013 #112

It's ad hominem. With an 'e'. redqueen May 2013 #135

Google probably did not point that out. Rex May 2013 #166

I imagine it is indeed, rather convenient to dismiss an academic discipline LanternWaste May 2013 #123

Yummy.. Ad Hominum, with a side of Association Fallacy. I'm almost at Bingo! opiate69 May 2013 #125

Nothing says "I barely made it out of high school" quite like dropping "logical fallacy" buzzwords.. DanTex May 2013 #127

... opiate69 May 2013 #128

Misspelling and unnecessarily capitalizing the terms doesn't exactly help, either. nt redqueen May 2013 #136

Such are the perils of posting from a cheap phone while at work.. opiate69 May 2013 #137

Yes, the phone made you misspell it. Twice. And it added the caps, too. redqueen May 2013 #138

Inattention and lack of a good spellcheck made me misspell it. opiate69 May 2013 #140

lol, yes, 'inattention' ... cause u and e are so close on the keypad. redqueen May 2013 #148

Paranoia... riiiiiight ... opiate69 May 2013 #188

lol. Democracyinkind May 2013 #152

LOL. That would be a "post hoc ergo propter hoc"... DanTex May 2013 #141

Yes .. because modern smart phones routinely have Latin in their spell check matrices.. opiate69 May 2013 #142

Spot on. Democracyinkind May 2013 #153

And that my friend... ellisonz May 2013 #155

Oh dear me, I've offended the epee..I mean degree measuring contest contingent! opiate69 May 2013 #157

"permapubescent Randians randomly selecting and re-vomiting buzzwords" redqueen May 2013 #158

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey May 2013 #171

Don't bother with this guy. This is the man who liberalhistorian May 2013 #164

You're right. ellisonz May 2013 #165

Everyone needs a hobby, I suppose. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #174

Followers? Cool! I thought I only had stalkers. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #173

If you don't like me telling the truth liberalhistorian May 2013 #203

Ignore? Heck no. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #204

It seems to me that benevolent chauvinists liberalhistorian May 2013 #205

You have no idea if rape has declined or if reporting it has declined. lunatica May 2013 #81

people are 85% less likely to self-report having been raped in the last 12 months compared to 1980. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #92

You do know that, even in this time, rapes go unreported. Skidmore May 2013 #83

Yes, and I hope that the progress that has been made continues into the future. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #106

How is it possible to disconnect rape from it's cultural underpinnings? Skidmore May 2013 #111

The same way the crime of bank robbery is disconnected from its cultural underpinnings. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #143

That is hogwash and doesn't hold together Skidmore May 2013 #154

What then is the relevant and objective number of rapes necessary... LanternWaste May 2013 #121

One... lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #144

Every woman in this country marions ghost May 2013 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author G_j May 2013 #26

"it's hard to get well when you don't recognize you are sick.." redqueen May 2013 #110

Was half thinking of a quote G_j May 2013 #160

Thanks for looking it up. redqueen May 2013 #169

K&R freshwest May 2013 #28

I'm sorry to hear what happened to you. ellisonz May 2013 #30

I don't think we fully understand what actually causes people to want to rape someone Hippo_Tron May 2013 #38

I agree. ellisonz May 2013 #40

I think some sub-cultures that encourage it and some explicitly tolerate it Hippo_Tron May 2013 #170

Treating women as equitable human beings... Gravitycollapse May 2013 #41

+1000 ellisonz May 2013 #156

K&R. nt DLevine May 2013 #48

i don't believe a "rape culture" exists. galileoreloaded May 2013 #54

"...special protections for some detract from us all." - What a load of manure. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #57

meh, your opinion. its all good man. galileoreloaded May 2013 #61

"That is a meme right out of the right-wing playbook." redqueen May 2013 #113

Used by those who wish to defend: geek tragedy May 2013 #114

Yes that's exactly how I've seen it used. redqueen May 2013 #131

Also not used to seeing at DU: geek tragedy May 2013 #132

Ugh, geez, I forgot about that one. nt redqueen May 2013 #134

What special protections? BainsBane May 2013 #66

I can't be the only one who thinks the special protections statement stinks to the high heavens? Gravitycollapse May 2013 #68

I don't even know what it's supposed to mean BainsBane May 2013 #69

i dont reduce human victims to a gender identity. pretty clear.nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #71

So what special protections? BainsBane May 2013 #72

re-read what you just wrote and find that intellectual leap in galileoreloaded May 2013 #74

explain what you mean then BainsBane May 2013 #76

men are 3 times more likely to be murder victims than females galileoreloaded May 2013 #89

Because it's other men doing those killings. Ergo not a gender issue. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #91

you just made my point. thank you. nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #95

You have a point. An idiotic point, but you do have it. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #96

i point out your sexism and you call me an idiot. expected. nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #98

yawn. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #101

No. redqueen May 2013 #115

Can you guess the movie reference? nt geek tragedy May 2013 #139

Nope, redqueen May 2013 #150

All About Eve. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #151

Now it's sexism to point out the fact that BainsBane May 2013 #147

nope. its in denigrating the victim because of the gender of the attacker. disgusting. nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #161

Who did that? BainsBane May 2013 #162

besides, you said you didn't see gender BainsBane May 2013 #163

Because this is an OP about rape culture sufrommich May 2013 #94

right, its my problem. nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #97

it does appear you have a problem in Whisp May 2013 #122

Your problem is you're afraid to say what you really think BainsBane May 2013 #149

Yep. nt redqueen May 2013 #159

So your issue is that we should not talk about a rape culture BainsBane May 2013 #145

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #207

Well then I guess I have a "personal agenda" as well, because Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #85

most likely you do have an agenda. nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #90

As do you. Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #93

lol. equalist. galileoreloaded May 2013 #99

Bullshit. Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #102

this so-called equalist also pushes the notion that gender stereotypes geek tragedy May 2013 #105

Tells me all I need to know. Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #107

Yep. Mandatory Rail Accident. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #108

! Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #109

bazinga nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #167

Bull shit BainsBane May 2013 #146

oooh, tell us about these "special protections for some" !! We need to know what "detracts from bettyellen May 2013 #67

i dont reduce human victims to a gender identity. pretty clear.nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #70

not even slightly BainsBane May 2013 #73

sheesh. nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #75

Is it really so difficult to say what you mean? BainsBane May 2013 #77

If multiple people are in fact, unclear as to what you mean by "special considerations", LanternWaste May 2013 #126

Do not feed. geek tragedy May 2013 #133

Wow. "Issues with women" is putting it mildly. Bordering on psychopathic. DanTex May 2013 #190

who does protecting rape victims detract from- the perps? not clear at all. bettyellen May 2013 #199

What "special protections" do you object to, regarding rape? DanTex May 2013 #130

WTF are you on about? smirkymonkey May 2013 #172

well, you seem new and despite being rude, i'll educate on my ideas galileoreloaded May 2013 #175

You make absolutely no sense. smirkymonkey May 2013 #178

its how educated people talk.. what can I say (shrug) nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #182

LOL. No, that's not how educated people talk. It's gibberish. DanTex May 2013 #189

Educated? I would think that you had not have made it out smirkymonkey May 2013 #191

Despite about 10 requests for you to specify what special protections you are referring to, Squinch May 2013 #179

lol. musta squinched it outta my butt eh? sheesh. nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #180

Still no answer, I see. Squinch May 2013 #181

i DID answer. you cant understand me. what else should I do? galileoreloaded May 2013 #183

Again, still no answer. Squinch May 2013 #184

Again, i cant help it if you cant understand. good luck. nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #185

Sigh. And STILL no answer. Squinch May 2013 #186

rape culture is about attitude toward a crime BainsBane May 2013 #192

"So what about rapists do you feel needs protecting?" won't work on me. galileoreloaded May 2013 #193

Word salad. Nothing you say makes any sense. smirkymonkey May 2013 #206

I too am a child rape survivor lunatica May 2013 #79

We must because not doing so Skidmore May 2013 #80

And keeping it hidden and a secret lunatica May 2013 #82

Indeed. And it can become Skidmore May 2013 #84

K&R redqueen May 2013 #100

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Rape is a dominance issue, not sex. haele May 2013 #118

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #120

One rapist can affect many victims. haele May 2013 #124

I am so sorry this happened to you, Skidmore. Lunacee_2013 May 2013 #176

I am so very sorry you suffered such a horrifying experience. niyad May 2013 #194