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Cleveland kidnapping: The women were kept bound with chains and ropes [View all] cali May 2013 OP

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Welcome to DU but how do we know this is for real, the money will get to him? uppityperson May 2013 #8

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Charles Ramsey has said he doesn't want money. ellisonz May 2013 #43

Excellent advice and indeed, he doesn't want money. Give directly to an established place uppityperson May 2013 #46

Excellent. ellisonz May 2013 #47

Thanks for the info, and good job with the removal. Could be real but........ uppityperson May 2013 #54

+1 pinto May 2013 #48

This is certainly going to deflate the "blame the victims" (they could have left but didn't) people. monmouth3 May 2013 #2

Tell me persons here weren't saying that! PLEASE! nt boston bean May 2013 #3

I saw an OP here yesterday questioning why these women "did not leave when they could have."...n/t monmouth3 May 2013 #4

Ugh. Victims have a hard enough time with that when they *aren't* physically restrained. Posteritatis May 2013 #75

Right here on DU. "Why didn't they try to escape?" or "Why didn't they just leave?" or kestrel91316 May 2013 #41

They're implying it right here in this thread ismnotwasm May 2013 #60

There are always, ALWAYS, people who go right there when these stories break. Posteritatis May 2013 #74

We forget that some people are armchair Ninjas. liberalmuse May 2013 #77

I in know way intend to blame the victims, as you say. But, I am definitely curious since Laura PourMeADrink May 2013 #5

one of the talking heads on MSNBC OKNancy May 2013 #6

Yes, she had probably been told by her captors that there was no help siligut May 2013 #24

Yes, I can see how it took three people treestar May 2013 #7

His brothers were not living with him. And up until several months ago, he had a job. LisaL May 2013 #10

They still must have helped treestar May 2013 #11

It appears only Ariel Castro is being charged. LisaL May 2013 #65

Not even alleged to have. LisaL May 2013 #67

No it doesn't. If they were literally chained up for 10 years you would think they would sound Laura PourMeADrink May 2013 #12

I agree. I don't think they were literally chained up for the whole 10 years. LisaL May 2013 #14

Yes, this is what I believe siligut May 2013 #25

Most likely used the girls connections to control them MattBaggins May 2013 #37

I just heard that one method he used to keep them truegrit44 May 2013 #86

There's one thing I can guarentee about such situations jeff47 May 2013 #30

Don't you DARE go blaming those women in any way for their situation. kestrel91316 May 2013 #42

Thank you get the red out May 2013 #56

I don't need any lectures from you. LisaL May 2013 #63

Geez - it's amazing how people jump for just discussing the situation. Thiought it went without Laura PourMeADrink May 2013 #69

Exactly. LisaL May 2013 #71

of course you don't ! no one does. no one ever has blamed them. nt Laura PourMeADrink May 2013 #76

Jibe, the word is Jibe, not Jive CBGLuthier May 2013 #90

if they were kept locked up in the a soundproofed attic or basement magical thyme May 2013 #36

How do you think she should have sounded? Brickbat May 2013 #44

Deserves Severe Punishment ibjensen May 2013 #9

They can't get the death penalty for any of these three cases. treestar May 2013 #13

Ohio includes fetal protection in its murder statutes. geek tragedy May 2013 #16

So what are you getting at? treestar May 2013 #17

5 pregnancies, one child born. Frequent beatings. geek tragedy May 2013 #22

I would wonder though if Ohio would apply the death penalty treestar May 2013 #50

Lots of factual details to be sorted out. geek tragedy May 2013 #52

Some more on that treestar May 2013 #92

(A) would cover it as well. geek tragedy May 2013 #93

Thanks for the information! Rhiannon12866 May 2013 #94

I do believe kidnapping is a Capital Offense... Bandit May 2013 #18

I don't think in the US one can be executed for anything less than murder treestar May 2013 #20

Might wanna read your link jeff47 May 2013 #31

If those states try it they will be stopped treestar May 2013 #49

Why would the SCOTUS stop it? jeff47 May 2013 #80

The death penalty was illegal for a while treestar May 2013 #85

Your argument is "treestar says so". jeff47 May 2013 #91

No, never heard of a death penalty for kidnapping unless a victim died. LisaL May 2013 #21

Wasn't there something about the girls getting pregnant? LiberalFighter May 2013 #29

Yes, see geek tragedy above treestar May 2013 #51

Welcome to DU! Life in prison, and nothing less. Quantess May 2013 #23

Sounds good when said, but, how many victims will be murdered when the punishment blm May 2013 #28

Excellent point Art_from_Ark May 2013 #95

As these details come out, it's like some people forget that they are cumulative. Brickbat May 2013 #15

You're right treestar May 2013 #19

I am not loving the categorization "blame the victim". It's really quite natural & non-accusatory Laura PourMeADrink May 2013 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author jeff47 May 2013 #32

Many live in marriages with their abusers and tell no one for decades. boston bean May 2013 #45

But these are not battered wives treestar May 2013 #53

No, there is much more to it, than staying with someone in hopes they change. boston bean May 2013 #55

Oh that is wayyyy too simple "hold onto hope he will change" for DV survivors. uppityperson May 2013 #57

This case though is really about people who were actually kidnapped treestar May 2013 #66

I agree there are differences, not arguing that. Simply trying to address a point you wrote about DV uppityperson May 2013 #82

I actually meant that sympathetically to avoid blaming them for staying treestar May 2013 #84

wow, didn't expect such assholery from you. I would hardly compare a battered wife to a kidnapping Laura PourMeADrink May 2013 #68

You wouldn't? Not one that was afraid to leave. To much of a leap for you to make? nt boston bean May 2013 #72

Psychological or emotional chains are often even stronger than physical ones opiate69 May 2013 #73

They only were allowed out of the house twice in two years BainsBane May 2013 #78

Bingo! And the corallary to this is that calling the criminals animals or worse, hedgehog May 2013 #27

They are NOT animals get the red out May 2013 #58

you got it. magical thyme May 2013 #40

And we don't know yet Tansy_Gold May 2013 #61

and wasn't one of them 14 when it happened, they are women now JI7 May 2013 #70

Interesting Kelvin Mace May 2013 #33

"a call" - which are you referring to? the other day? or in the past? Laura PourMeADrink May 2013 #34

The neighbors say Kelvin Mace May 2013 #38

thanks...hadn't heard that. Only that the police did respond once and no one Laura PourMeADrink May 2013 #39

According to this article the women only went outside twice and neither tammywammy May 2013 #83

Which is why Kelvin Mace May 2013 #89

increased activity now at house riverwalker May 2013 #59

checking abandoned house 2 doors down riverwalker May 2013 #62

The Cleveland Chief of Police was on the news this morning saying that they had no toby jo May 2013 #64

I wonder how many guns the Castro Bros. had? baldguy May 2013 #79

Now the police are saying only one brother was actually involved. pnwmom May 2013 #81

I have a question? truegrit44 May 2013 #87

Just answered my own question truegrit44 May 2013 #88