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socialist_n_TN

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29. Revolutions ARE difficult and, for most people, a last resort......
Sun May 12, 2013, 05:25 PM
May 2013

I'm old now and I doubt if I will see it, but the possibility is there and SOMETHING is coming. Whether it's a socialist revolution or a fascist takeover or (even more probable in the medium term IMO) a Bonapartist dictatorship, something is coming.

Trotsky said that two of the conditions that have to be extant for a revolution is that the ruling class cannot keep control in the old way and that the working class cannot go on in the old way. The first condition is coming true more rapidly than the second, but both are happening before our eyes. We're seeing the rise in fascistic methods of control from the capitalists and their toadies in the political class because the old ways of control don't work as well anymore. The working class has to catch up with their part of it and that's what I meant in my previous post about the working class becoming a class FOR itself. That's all about raising consciousness of the inherent power that resides in the class that toils for somebody else's profits.

I think that even most (not all, but most) hardened revolutionaries would prefer evolution to revolution because of the very things that you mentioned. Unfortunately, we are revolutionary because reform hasn't worked and has never worked and we don't believe anymore that it CAN work. As I said in the previous post, capitalism ALWAYS breaks it's regulatory chains, sooner or later. This is why you see this type of behavior from the capitalist class throughout history. And it always leads to a reaction because people don't want the unregulated version of capitalism. So it's time to smash the system and try something new. Hopefully, we've got a few "bad" examples to avoid from the past, so it's up to us to make it work. This time. That's another reason I'm a Trotskyist. His is the Marxist road not taken.

One last point. There aren't any "...neat, simple theories of what comes next". If there were there wouldn't be any need for organizing, propagandizing, agitation and analyses of current situations and trends. If a worker's state was an inevitability then we could all just sit around and wait for it. There are other options that are worse for the working class, but are possibilities in a revolutionary situation. Our work is to MAKE the socialist revolution the only viable option out of the options arising from the revolutionary situation.

BTW, thanks for allowing me to explain.

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Let's Tax Offshore Wealth [View all] Octafish May 2013 OP
Let's tax wealth. Make them invest it in something useful or take it back. nt bemildred May 2013 #1
SOSO since 1981... Octafish May 2013 #10
we need a maximum wealth People Power May 2013 #22
Yes, I like that, put a limit on it, it could even be pretty high. bemildred May 2013 #25
Hear Hear, Sir! The Magistrate May 2013 #2
Outstanding suggestion, Sir! Octafish May 2013 #14
I've often thought that.... Wounded Bear May 2013 #3
How about a Virtual War? Octafish May 2013 #17
We need a billionaire's nightmare inheritance law combined with a wealth tax on corporations. Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #4
And also fix the tax loopholes in inheritance laws that lets those estates escape capital gains tax cascadiance May 2013 #9
We should, and are completely free to do so, scrap the entire tax code and replace it with Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #11
Absolutely! Octafish May 2013 #18
Let's just take it all from them. If it ain't here in the US then fuck them! L0oniX May 2013 #5
Outstanding! Octafish May 2013 #19
Which "We" can do this? Bannakaffalatta May 2013 #6
Weren't "tax shelters" ways that taxes created jobs? zbdent May 2013 #7
absolutely! K&R nt antigop May 2013 #8
Seize their assets - redistribute them n/t leftstreet May 2013 #12
And I agree. timdog44 May 2013 #28
We've had the list since Clinton's admin. They sued Visa & MC and WON elehhhhna May 2013 #13
K&R nt abelenkpe May 2013 #15
Damn straight. truebluegreen May 2013 #16
So I guess this mean y'all are ready for a socialist revolution? socialist_n_TN May 2013 #20
We are ready for a socialist reform, not revolution. bemildred May 2013 #21
We'll see...... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #23
So you want to give up, or are your spreading the alarm, or what? bemildred May 2013 #24
I'm a communist........ socialist_n_TN May 2013 #26
OK. bemildred May 2013 #27
Revolutions ARE difficult and, for most people, a last resort...... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #29
My pleasure. bemildred May 2013 #32
Thank you...... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #34
Make them think twice: 150% tax on every dollar stored off shore. Initech May 2013 #30
We might be able to replace some school roofs and have airconditioning Rosa Luxemburg May 2013 #31
+1,000 malaise May 2013 #33
If the money is offshore for the purposes of evading taxes, then there ought to be Mr. David May 2013 #35
Gee, gang...welcome to the rational side. What took you so long? BanTheGOP May 2013 #36
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