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DanTex

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20. I don't think you read the OP very carefully.

Mon May 13, 2013, 02:44 PM

May 2013

You wrote:

The blunt fact is that most gun crime is black-on-black urban killing...These gangbangers are NEVER, NEVER going to stop killing each other no matter what laws we pass.

You must have missed this part of the OP:

In major cities in Europe, cities comparable in population size and density, they can go weeks, even months, without a single shooting. Cities, mind you, that DO have gangs, and drugs, and poverty, and all the other social ills that come with a big city.

As to why some cities like Chicago and DC have high rates of gun violence despite tight gun laws, the answer is that the effectiveness of tight local gun laws is undercut by loose gun laws in other nearby states, which make it easy for illegal guns to be trafficked into cities. If DC or Chicago were located in Western Europe, their homicide rates would be much lower.

Still, you neglect to mention that neither DC nor Chicago rank highest in homicide. The highest homicide rate is in New Orleans, followed by Detroit and then St Louis.

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... rrneck May 2013 #4

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Spoken like a true acolyte. rrneck May 2013 #13

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You mean "gang bangers" like Trayvon Martin? baldguy May 2013 #29

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From here TnDem May 2013 #47

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Definite "gang-banger" etherealtruth May 2013 #90

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Ah. I'm the "other". rrneck May 2013 #18

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Sorry rrneck May 2013 #37

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The fallacy of the empty vessel. baldguy May 2013 #36

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Racism? No, not exactly. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #10

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Maybe, maybe not.... TnDem May 2013 #12

Gang violence represents a tiny fraction of homicides. Robb May 2013 #19

I don't think you read the OP very carefully. DanTex May 2013 #20

OK TnDem May 2013 #23

Here's what you should ask yourself. DanTex May 2013 #26

Missing the point TnDem May 2013 #28

No, you are missing the point. DanTex May 2013 #32

Once again, missing the point TnDem May 2013 #34

You're dodging the question. Why do you think that there is so little homicide it London? DanTex May 2013 #35

You brought up London... TnDem May 2013 #39

Ahh, false statistics. Where would the NRA be without them? DanTex May 2013 #46

OK, let's go with that TnDem May 2013 #52

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As will I.... TnDem May 2013 #58

Plano, TX: 1.9/100k (2011). London 1.5/100k (2011). Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #56

LOL. Apparently even when you cherry pick you lose... DanTex May 2013 #57

Missed the point, as expected. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #60

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One last time TnDem May 2013 #65

You again? I thought you ran away because you couldn't answer my question! DanTex May 2013 #68

Forgotten more math than you'll ever know. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #69

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And the inevitable resort to (yet more) personal insult. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #76

And it keeps getting worse. DanTex May 2013 #80

Oooh, and bullshit amateur psychoanalysis, too! Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #86

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Education TnDem May 2013 #67

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