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sarisataka

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24. Is it just guns or does violence matter?

Tue May 14, 2013, 11:11 AM

May 2013

England has worse crime rate than the US, says Civitas study

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7922755/England-has-worse-crime-rate-than-the-US-says-Civitas-study.html

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
The good news is although mush like the US crime is generally going down

Crime statistics for England & Wales: what's happening to each offence?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jul/14/crime-statistics-england-wales

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London: a case study in the effectiveness of gun control. [View all] DanTex May 2013 OP

So repeal the 2nd Amendment already. badtoworse May 2013 #1

What were the homicide rates before gun bans? Eleanors38 May 2013 #2

The most recent major tightening of gun laws in the UK was in 1997. DanTex May 2013 #4

which is a real testement to Londoners! zerosumgame0005 May 2013 #17

Britain has always been pretty tightly regulated visavis guns,. truebluegreen May 2013 #5

There are also a few other before/after case studies to look at. DanTex May 2013 #6

But how will Londoners fight back when the Queen takes away their rights? mainer May 2013 #3

Respectfully, premium May 2013 #7

The only way to get change is to challenge the status quo. DanTex May 2013 #8

That may be, premium May 2013 #9

I agree with you there. DanTex May 2013 #10

Hopefully we'll get there with UBC soon, premium May 2013 #12

It is pretty close to the truth. Democracyinkind May 2013 #11

True, premium May 2013 #14

Granted, agree. nt. Democracyinkind May 2013 #21

At least the US trend is fewer families have guns mainer May 2013 #18

Not quite sure if that's true, premium May 2013 #19

There Is A Way To Do It ChoppinBroccoli May 2013 #20

I agree, premium May 2013 #22

People need to decide human life has value BainsBane May 2013 #30

While I generally agree with you, premium May 2013 #33

I agree BainsBane May 2013 #35

They have a high amount of stabbings though..and you can always get a gun fairly easy HipChick May 2013 #13

Stabbings are much less lethal than shootings. Part of why the homicide rate is so low. DanTex May 2013 #15

True, very true. premium May 2013 #16

Say, that's pretty good! rrneck May 2013 #23

Is it just guns or does violence matter? sarisataka May 2013 #24

Exactly. Despite higher general levels of violent crime, the UK has far less murder. DanTex May 2013 #25

we may agree and disagree at the same time sarisataka May 2013 #26

I'm not arguing that the UK is overall a better place to live. DanTex May 2013 #27

London has a higher violent crime rate than *any* US city on your list. SlipperySlope May 2013 #28

That's not accurate. DanTex May 2013 #29

This is the Wiki data I am citing... SlipperySlope May 2013 #31

It's not clear that "violence against the person" as measured in the UK is at all the same thing DanTex May 2013 #34

ooookay. sibelian May 2013 #36

Consequences are a valid topic of discussion. SlipperySlope May 2013 #37

That's all very interesting, but it's not really the subject under discussion, is it? sibelian May 2013 #38

There is no mechanism whereby reducing guns would increase homicide rates. DanTex May 2013 #39

U.S. owners don't want to save lives. They want reduce SS expenditures. Dead is better for them. nt valerief May 2013 #32

Rising now, was lowest around early-mid 20th century One_Life_To_Give May 2013 #40

Yes, the gun culture in the US probably has something to do with it. DanTex May 2013 #41

Thank you so much for your posts on ths subject etherealtruth May 2013 #42