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karynnj

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206. I think that could be a mistake even though there are things I agree with you on

Wed May 15, 2013, 08:53 AM

May 2013

In the first place, Holder has been accused of many things that he actually did not do by the right. Lacking anything that is a smoking gun on a major issue getting him to resign when he is under fire adds credence to the Republican litany of lies.

In the second place, consider how difficult the confirmation process is. Holder resigning means Obama has to fight to get confirmation of someone else. Do you think that we could get someone better confirmed?

In the third place, there is an open question on whether the actions that are most disliked here were actually decided by Holder - or whether they were the decisions of Obama and his closest aides.

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Holder should resign quickly, as should the IRS chief [View all] quinnox May 2013 OP

unrec. How ridiculous! apples and oranges May 2013 #1

I second that UNREC. eom BlueCaliDem May 2013 #54

yet another unrec. Progressive dog May 2013 #92

Op = Reppublicanspeak Rosa Luxemburg May 2013 #193

I would like for them JustAnotherGen May 2013 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author Pryderi May 2013 #3

Maybe you should do some research about the AP story... DonViejo May 2013 #4

I have done research and I've thought that Holder should resign for some time. cali May 2013 #5

Maybe you can ProSense May 2013 #9

I think it's outrageous, given the circumstances of the Yemen leak, cali May 2013 #39

Again, ProSense May 2013 #46

First, cali, I wasn't addressing you... DonViejo May 2013 #22

RE Patrick declining AG No Vested Interest May 2013 #132

You really, really, REALLY don't like the Obama Administration, do you, Cali? BlueCaliDem May 2013 #37

well, I've gone from being a huge supporter to being less than enthusiastic about a number cali May 2013 #44

+1000 truebluegreen May 2013 #51

For a "DUer" who hates this administration as much as a TeaBagger BlueCaliDem May 2013 #52

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #112

Your vision is not all that good if you can not tell the difference karynnj May 2013 #207

You make excellent points. However, BlueCaliDem May 2013 #208

I cant speak for cali but I am disappointed that the Pres Obama admin has not made any rhett o rick May 2013 #58

Democratic values don't mean squat when people work to discourage support for the party that's BlueCaliDem May 2013 #76

Things have shifted so far right that many no longer recognize what a conservative is. rhett o rick May 2013 #86

+1. nt historylovr May 2013 #197

+1 magellan May 2013 #201

Keeping government accountable is tblue May 2013 #203

Well said. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #205

Is there anything you DO like? treestar May 2013 #186

How can you say that? I love President Obama's smile. But his nomination of Penny Sue Pritzker has rhett o rick May 2013 #191

So is there anything in the job description that you DO like? treestar May 2013 #195

Do you like Penny Pritzker? That's the question. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #196

+1 madokie May 2013 #75

It is not unusual for those who were strong supporters, and those who value principles vs principals AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #78

To call for and agree to the resignation of Holder based on flimsy evidence thus far BlueCaliDem May 2013 #85

It is a false equivalency to equate agreeing that Holder should resign for not doing his job with AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #113

Innocent until proven guilty isn't ONLY applicable to criminal prosecutions. I know you're BlueCaliDem May 2013 #172

Some have called me a purist, but now I'm a "Professional Leftist"? If so, somebody owes me money. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #173

No one's called you a professional leftist. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #177

From your post: AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #180

Nope. Don't see it. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #199

Just admit now that you would not like Holder's replacement either treestar May 2013 #187

Ever grow tired G_j May 2013 #111

I'm tired BlueCaliDem May 2013 #170

I think that could be a mistake even though there are things I agree with you on karynnj May 2013 #206

Yes, anytime the GOP outrage machine goes full throttle, everyone should lie down and play dead. randome May 2013 #6

If you know of any redeeming qualities of holder morningfog May 2013 #14

I'm not out looking for redeeming qualities for him. randome May 2013 #28

You are 100 percent correct on this. This hatred for Holder has everything to do with the MMJ BlueCaliDem May 2013 #57

He really hates medical marijuana users. It's unAmerican not to get your drugs from big Pharma. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #64

I'd really like to read of Holder's hatred for medmar users... DonViejo May 2013 #106

Will links to the many houses he's busted into and the number of growers rhett o rick May 2013 #157

That's called enforcing federal law... DonViejo May 2013 #158

Ah the rationalization. The President decides where the DoJ should emphasize their rhett o rick May 2013 #163

Ahh, the condescending attitude of a DU member for another DU member because DonViejo May 2013 #166

So instead of discussing the issue, you choose to call me condescending. rhett o rick May 2013 #168

No, let's be honest here... DonViejo May 2013 #171

You are absolutely correct. I was being flip when I said that Holder hates medical marijuana users. rhett o rick May 2013 #179

There have been threads on this before treestar May 2013 #188

!!! Number23 May 2013 #174

And yet there are 2000 legal MMJ dispensaries currently in the U.S. randome May 2013 #159

No he and his boss seem to be wasting a lot of resources fighting something that the American rhett o rick May 2013 #162

You're right, he does have selective enforcement. randome May 2013 #164

That's a good point if it's true. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #169

Lets see.. demwing May 2013 #7

It's giddiness. n/t ProSense May 2013 #10

No offense demwing May 2013 #16

Wow, ProSense May 2013 #35

there's no fear - it's just you /nt demwing May 2013 #47

The crazy thing ProSense May 2013 #53

Listen - I just don't agree with your absolute commitment to cheer-leading the President demwing May 2013 #66

Well said. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #79

Wow, ProSense May 2013 #81

people are sensitive to manipulation and propaganda galileoreloaded May 2013 #90

People ProSense May 2013 #93

lol. look, you know i respect your purpose and what you do here galileoreloaded May 2013 #95

Actually, ProSense May 2013 #97

call em like i see em. :) galileoreloaded May 2013 #100

I think its fair to say Prosense presents both sides of the story no? tia uponit7771 May 2013 #94

No, I wouldn't say that at all, sorry. demwing May 2013 #148

And no one is required to do so. I'd prefer that we all debate on the issues and the facts. randome May 2013 #150

How is that not offensive?? BlueCaliDem May 2013 #59

Because "offense" is in the eye of the beholder demwing May 2013 #71

Sorry, but your responses underscores my post and made my opinion into fact. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #83

why, that is such a surprise that you would want that! Whisp May 2013 #8

Uncomfortable? I would say it would be a good fit BlueCaliDem May 2013 #25

Don't really care about the IRS chief, but Blue_Tires May 2013 #11

The wheels are coming off this administration. morningfog May 2013 #12

You may WANT the wheels to come off this administration. randome May 2013 #17

That is the last thing I want. morningfog May 2013 #141

So ProSense May 2013 #20

Game over, man. Game over, geek tragedy May 2013 #21

What's the issue? demwing May 2013 #29

LOL. Second term over? Sorry, its just begun. JaneyVee May 2013 #42

+ a million quinnox May 2013 #45

As opposed to people who panic without bothering to educate themselves. geek tragedy May 2013 #49

that truly has to be one of the most colossally ridiculous statements... Javaman May 2013 #50

You're right. Obama is in full control of the message. morningfog May 2013 #144

LOL nice try. LOL Javaman May 2013 #181

As do I. morningfog May 2013 #184

have a great day! Javaman May 2013 #204

you know shit. MjolnirTime May 2013 #117

I know lots of shit. morningfog May 2013 #185

Holder had to recuse himself from that investigation geek tragedy May 2013 #13

There is no IRS chief. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2013 #15

I think Holder should resign also, premium May 2013 #18

I agree Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #19

Bullshit. It would make him look WEAK - just as his detractors have been wanting to paint him. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #31

But I think it would make him look decisive and strong Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #36

More bullshit. Did it make the Democratic Party look strong when they forced Anthony Weiner to BlueCaliDem May 2013 #48

Holder was not involved in the AP subpoenas and IRS director left already. Shrike47 May 2013 #23

Tommy Chong for Atty Gen NightWatcher May 2013 #24

The IRS chief left in November. Beacool May 2013 #26

Didn't know that, so I updated the OP quinnox May 2013 #43

Holder should've resigned for a host of reasons, some time ago villager May 2013 #27

I do have to agree with your argument. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #32

Uurrrrfp. Exxxcuuusse me. I respectfully but forcefully disagree. geckosfeet May 2013 #30

+ 1000 eom BlueCaliDem May 2013 #33

your hysteria solves nothing..... chillfactor May 2013 #34

I don't think anyone important gives a shit about what you this Holder should do. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #38

MY God! Do people even bother to READ anymore? demwing May 2013 #40

Are you seriously listening to scuttlebutt? siligut May 2013 #41

zOMG!!11!11! Cali_Democrat May 2013 #55

Holder took himself off the case and the IRS was doing upaloopa May 2013 #56

According to DOJ regs, Holder couldn't take himself off the case Yo_Mama May 2013 #65

Yes someone lower down did. upaloopa May 2013 #73

If this bullshit non story helps get rid of Holder then it's not all bad tularetom May 2013 #60

+ 1000 quinnox May 2013 #62

When Joe Klein and Tweety were demanding okwmember May 2013 #61

What if Holder didn't know about the subpoena? Yo_Mama May 2013 #63

Holder recused himself from the investigation so this doesn't even involve him. randome May 2013 #70

+ 1000 - definitely needs to be a serious investigation quinnox May 2013 #72

He can't recuse himself AND be part of the investigation. randome May 2013 #77

Marco Rubio? Is that you? FSogol May 2013 #67

Oh lord, are YOU misinformed! Zen Democrat May 2013 #68

Thats the stupidest thing I've read today madokie May 2013 #69

+1 n/t FSogol May 2013 #74

+1 uponit7771 May 2013 #96

Nailed it...nt SidDithers May 2013 #121

Holder will go, and make a lot of money when he returns to his firm, but not before the banksters AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #80

+ 1000, I wouldn't be surprised quinnox May 2013 #82

Translation: CakeGrrl May 2013 #84

You got that right! randome May 2013 #91

you Better Believe It! nt geek tragedy May 2013 #99

Yep. Bullseye. eom BlueCaliDem May 2013 #200

Holder has been terrible but not for the reasons the GOP says ZRT2209 May 2013 #87

It now looks like either he has to or the deputy AG has to Yo_Mama May 2013 #88

Duh, Holder appointed a Special US Attorney. And the law is on their side. Zen Democrat May 2013 #153

Don't you have to have an 'IRS chief' before he/she can resign? sinkingfeeling May 2013 #89

you Better Believe It! nt geek tragedy May 2013 #98

Goddamit!!! You beat me to it! nt msanthrope May 2013 #101

We should get a BBI emoticon. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #103

I haven't seen this much wingnut/firebagger agreement since the Clenis was an msanthrope May 2013 #105

Obamacare. Jane Hamsher was sympathizing with Teabaggers geek tragedy May 2013 #107

Catfood!!!! Catfood!!! Call Congress right fuckin' now !!11!!! nt msanthrope May 2013 #108

YBBI! randome May 2013 #110

ROFL alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #145

Red, white and blue?? WAY too patriotic! Number23 May 2013 #175

+1 I LOL'd FSogol May 2013 #165

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy May 2013 #102

rofl treestar May 2013 #190

Ahhh, the daily DU call for Holder's resignation. tridim May 2013 #104

If you hold a bottle of water in your hand, your Marco Rubio impression is complete. nt msanthrope May 2013 #109

You might wanna read about the Karl Rove connection to this, and consider a delete.... msanthrope May 2013 #114

Nah, I already edited my OP to reflect the info I didn't know that the IRS guy resigned already quinnox May 2013 #118

And Holder recused himself... SidDithers May 2013 #115

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #116

lol quinnox May 2013 #119

no defense, eh? MjolnirTime May 2013 #120

What's your take on the Karl Rove involvement? Still think the imaginary commissioner msanthrope May 2013 #124

For the tenth time, I already updated my OP to reflect that quinnox May 2013 #125

You are avoiding the Karl Rove involvement issue. Marco Rubio would, too, but I msanthrope May 2013 #126

I'm not ignoring it, but my biggest problem is with the AP press records news story anyhow quinnox May 2013 #130

Sure--now that Karl Rove has been linked to the IRS story, I could see how your concern might shift. msanthrope May 2013 #134

now you are just being silly quinnox May 2013 #139

I think it is on you. nt msanthrope May 2013 #160

So bow down to Republicans because if we don't, it might hurt us sometime in the future? randome May 2013 #140

so you would prefer to have these stories blow up and drag on quinnox May 2013 #146

Why would Holder resign for an acting AG's investigation? randome May 2013 #161

Why should Holder Resign? He had nothing whatsoever to do with the AP Subpoenas. MetasticTwine May 2013 #122

Its called taking responsiblity quinnox May 2013 #123

Ah, so you really just have a general beef against Holder MetasticTwine May 2013 #127

Actually I do have a big problem with the patriot act but quinnox May 2013 #128

Then if it's REALLY about taking responsibly MetasticTwine May 2013 #138

Correct! randome May 2013 #142

its called having an opinion quinnox May 2013 #143

And it's the same opinioin Darrell Issa has. MetasticTwine May 2013 #147

well, I bet you agree with Issa on stuff too quinnox May 2013 #149

quinnox... You're Not Alone... Michael Tomasky Agrees... Article Here: WillyT May 2013 #129

thanks for the link Willy quinnox May 2013 #131

all of a sudden you agree with the MSM hack the altmedia puts down? graham4anything May 2013 #137

These aren't major stories.Cristin Miliotti being hired as the Mother on HIMYM is a major story! graham4anything May 2013 #133

don't you think we should find out the facts first? Oh wait a minute, the press told us it was still_one May 2013 #135

The head of the IRS, Douglas Shulman, when targeting happened was appointed by Geoge W. Bush Tx4obama May 2013 #136

that's right, we'll let the GOP decide who can be our AG and prez etc. just by raising a stink Hamlette May 2013 #151

Well, let's Turbineguy May 2013 #152

It's an outrage! randome May 2013 #154

Yes, Turbineguy May 2013 #156

Christ! Yellow meatloaf? That turns my stomach just thinking about it! randome May 2013 #176

Personally I thought Holder was brilliant in going after voter intimidation and nullification. Zen Democrat May 2013 #155

That doesn't count because...it doesn't count! randome May 2013 #178

Agreed, it's embarrassing LittleBlue May 2013 #167

Bullshit! LiberalFighter May 2013 #182

Sorry. If all the people who the GOP wants to resign actually did so, there wouldn't be anyone left Hekate May 2013 #183

Holder has been an embarrassment almost from day one... JCMach1 May 2013 #189

There seems to be a lot of Republicans on this site all of a sudden? Rosa Luxemburg May 2013 #192

Ho. Hum. Most Americans do not care - pseudo scandal time again. n/t kiranon May 2013 #194

Obama needs a better class of friends newmember May 2013 #198

What should Holder resign over? dennis4868 May 2013 #202