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ProSense

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Wed May 15, 2013, 09:26 PM May 2013

"The seizure of AP's phone records is legal" [View all]

The DOJ's Freedom of Speech Breach

The seizure of AP's phone records is legal, but that doesn't make it an acceptable course of action for the Justice Department to take.

On Monday, news broke that federal officials had secretly seized the phone records of Associated Press reporters. AP President Gary Pruitt reacted with understandable anger, calling the seizure "an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters." Is Pruitt right? There are two questions that need to be answered. Was the seizure legal? And, if so, was it justified?

The answer to to the first question, at least based on what we know now, is "probably." A subpoena for records as part of an investigation, as opposed to a search warrant, does not require judicial approval. Intuitively, it may seem as if the First Amendment should shield the press from government investigators. But, at least under current Supreme Court doctrine, this isn't the case. In the 1972 landmark case Branzburg v. Hayes, the Court held that "[t]he First Amendment does not relieve a newspaper reporter of the obligation that all citizens have to respond to a grand jury subpoena and answer questions relevant to a criminal investigation." This decision was controversial, and it could be argued that the federal courts should interpret the First Amendment to provide a more robust shield for journalistic activities. Based on what we know now, the subpoena was probably legal under existing law.

Of course, as the majority in Branzburg pointed out, even assuming for the sake of argument that the First Amendment doesn't provide for a journalistic privilege against investigation, legislatures are free to create a statutory journalistic privilege. Some state legislatures have done so. Congress has not, which is worth remembering when considering some of the rather opportunistic outrage from some Republicans about the AP story. Newly minted civil libertarian Darrell Issa, for example, has apparently undergone a remarkable transformation since he voted against legislation offering greater protections to telecommunications companies in 2007. And many a Republican (joined by a disgraceful number of Democrats) didn't object when the Bush administration engaged in warrantless wiretapping that plausibly violated the First Amendment and certainly violated valid congressional statutes.

But, the cynical and hypocritical nature of Republican opposition to the AP spying doesn't make it wrong. And, similarly, even if we assume for the sake of argument that the seizure of phone records was legal in this case, this doesn't justify the policy. The executive branch has the constitutional authority to engage in many things that aren't wise or prudent, and we should expect the Obama administration to do more than the minimum required by the Supreme Court when considering the free speech rights of journalists.

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http://prospect.org/article/dojs-freedom-speech-breach#

That's the point a lot of people seem to be missing. You can be outraged about policy, but that doesn't make it illegal. I also remember a lot of people citing Branzburg v. Hayes during the Plame investigation.

The AP's being investigated by a grand jury for who they coordinated with in Congress over the leak.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022848186

Oh, this is good: House Republican 2012 hearing demanding DOJ subpoena reporters (video)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022847992

WHOA! WH Asks Sen. Schumer to Re-Introduce 'Media Shield Law' Bill
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022846992

SPJ supports shield law compromise

11/4/2009

Leaders of the Society of Professional Journalists welcome the compromise the Obama administration, senators and news organizations reached on a federal shield law that would protect journalists, their sources and the public’s right to know. Although SPJ does not believe S. 448 is a perfect bill, the Society’s leaders carefully examined the proposed legislation, and on behalf of its more than 8,000 members, have decided to support the protections granted to journalists.

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Although SPJ leaders are pleased with many of the revisions in the latest compromise, such as a broader definition of who will be covered, they are disappointed that the new bill does not cover “non-confidential” information...However, SPJ is pleased that the revised legislation provides a shield for journalists protecting their confidential sources in criminal and civil proceedings. The bill covers subpoenas issued by grand juries and special prosecutors, in addition to prosecutors, civil litigants and criminal defendants. This revision requires that the party seeking confidential information first exhausts alternative sources; proves that there is a high need for the information; and conducts a public-interest balancing test before a federal court will compel disclosure of source information.

In criminal cases, reporters may be forced to demonstrate that there is clear, convincing evidence that the public’s right to know is more important than disclosure of requested information. However, in civil proceedings, the legislation provides more protection, including in cases regarding the Privacy Act. The legislation also states that federal judges may overturn subpoenas for reporters’ testimony if the judges determine that the public’s right to know outweighs the need for the government to know the source.

Another change in the legislation that is attracting attention is the inclusion of bloggers, freelance journalists and student journalists to the definition of protected individuals. To define a journalist, a test is applied to assess if the person is regularly gathering information for public dissemination, instead of by whether or not the journalist is paid by a news organization -- a definition that was included in previous drafts of the bill.

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http://www.spj.org/news.asp?ref=936

Oh, this is good: House Republican 2012 hearing demanding DOJ subpoena reporters (video)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022847992

WHOA! WH Asks Sen. Schumer to Re-Introduce 'Media Shield Law' Bill
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022846992

SPJ supports shield law compromise

11/4/2009

Leaders of the Society of Professional Journalists welcome the compromise the Obama administration, senators and news organizations reached on a federal shield law that would protect journalists, their sources and the public’s right to know. Although SPJ does not believe S. 448 is a perfect bill, the Society’s leaders carefully examined the proposed legislation, and on behalf of its more than 8,000 members, have decided to support the protections granted to journalists.

<...>

Although SPJ leaders are pleased with many of the revisions in the latest compromise, such as a broader definition of who will be covered, they are disappointed that the new bill does not cover “non-confidential” information...However, SPJ is pleased that the revised legislation provides a shield for journalists protecting their confidential sources in criminal and civil proceedings. The bill covers subpoenas issued by grand juries and special prosecutors, in addition to prosecutors, civil litigants and criminal defendants. This revision requires that the party seeking confidential information first exhausts alternative sources; proves that there is a high need for the information; and conducts a public-interest balancing test before a federal court will compel disclosure of source information.

In criminal cases, reporters may be forced to demonstrate that there is clear, convincing evidence that the public’s right to know is more important than disclosure of requested information. However, in civil proceedings, the legislation provides more protection, including in cases regarding the Privacy Act. The legislation also states that federal judges may overturn subpoenas for reporters’ testimony if the judges determine that the public’s right to know outweighs the need for the government to know the source.

Another change in the legislation that is attracting attention is the inclusion of bloggers, freelance journalists and student journalists to the definition of protected individuals. To define a journalist, a test is applied to assess if the person is regularly gathering information for public dissemination, instead of by whether or not the journalist is paid by a news organization -- a definition that was included in previous drafts of the bill.

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http://www.spj.org/news.asp?ref=936
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LOL...... Logical May 2013 #1
Guess what ProSense May 2013 #2
Fine with it being legal. But your misleading title is more proof of, well you know what. n-t Logical May 2013 #3
'Misleading'? Huh? randome May 2013 #4
"Fine with it being legal." ProSense May 2013 #6
Wait, ProSense May 2013 #5
You cut it off only to show the legal part, not the doesn't make it an acceptable part, and.... Logical May 2013 #9
WTF? ProSense May 2013 #13
Are you disputing the "doesn't make it an acceptable" part? If not then why not include it? You... Logical May 2013 #15
Because ProSense May 2013 #16
LOL, not accurate but makes your point I guess. You have PLENTY of room! Just add the.... Logical May 2013 #17
Yes, ProSense May 2013 #18
You posted a misleading title on purpose. And refuse to change it. Totally your right but.... Logical May 2013 #19
Yup, I posted it. Enjoy! n/t ProSense May 2013 #20
I posted their current stance on this incident. With an accurate title. Here you go.... Logical May 2013 #21
Cool, this is ProSense May 2013 #23
LOL, many things Bush did was legal also. I guess that makes it OK with you. n-t Logical May 2013 #24
Flashback ProSense May 2013 #25
Whats this have to do with your misleading post title? n-t Logical May 2013 #26
Why you don't like the title of the other thread either? n/t ProSense May 2013 #27
you would impeach Obama if you could. just like Rand Paul. MjolnirTime May 2013 #34
You are a liar, I would not! But Obama has made mistakes! n-t Logical May 2013 #40
One DU poster is falling all over himself to show that it isn't. But I have yet to read one good bluestate10 May 2013 #7
Well if you've put the fear of God in whistle blowers and sources you don't need to tap anyone. dkf May 2013 #8
Bullshit. ProSense May 2013 #11
If you are only aiming at 1 story you don't need 20 phone lines over 2 months reaching 100+ dkf May 2013 #14
And don't forget they were to tell the AP about BEFORE they did it. Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #43
I agree Harmony Blue May 2013 #30
+1. Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #41
... Matariki May 2013 #10
You add nothing but an ignorant insult. so cute with your little cheerleading Cha May 2013 #31
right Matariki May 2013 #47
Legal ? SamKnause May 2013 #12
That's a mighty big freaking broad brush you got there and Cha May 2013 #32
No kidding... Harmony Blue May 2013 #37
Congress needs to get off their asses and repeal the statute... kentuck May 2013 #22
Um, what? nt Deep13 May 2013 #28
Maybe this will help. ProSense May 2013 #29
Happy to have been the 5th Rec.. Cha May 2013 #33
i guessed the OP's name before i saw it nt markiv May 2013 #35
BFD. Cha May 2013 #45
It is. Unfortunately, it is. Thanks, Patriot Act... Taverner May 2013 #36
Its legality has nothing to do with the John Ashcroft's Patriot Act. n/t ProSense May 2013 #38
Warrentless Wiretapping. Taverner May 2013 #39
That has nothing to do with the AP case. n/t ProSense May 2013 #44
DU rec...nt SidDithers May 2013 #42
Kick! n/t ProSense May 2013 #46
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