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wercal

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202. I think you are making a linkage that isn't there

Fri May 17, 2013, 11:49 PM

May 2013

I favor bsl (there, I said it). But I don't think my attitude about them somehow leads to a general attitude of worthlessness towards them, which manifests itself as cruelty to the animal.

Its the exact reverse.

Its precisely because people fight these dogs and are deliberately cruel to them (to make them more aggressive fighters) that I prefer bsl.

Look, the bottom line is pit bulls can kill. A few years ago here in Topeka we got rid of bsl, to the delight of pit bull owners. Guess what happened six months ago? I think you can fill in the blanks...young child...pit bull...mauled to death.

And I have worked in a shelter...and you left a very important detail out. You should share the whole story. I will:

These pit bulls aren't being euthanized solely because they violate bsl, are they? So why are they being euthanized? Well you should tell the folks - the shelter destroys dogs to fulfill court orders. Court order? Oh yes - that court order to destroy the dog, that you get when a dog bites a human.

I am absolutely sure that I'm not going to convince you of anything, so I don't want to get into a long winded debate. I just wanted to let people know that pit bulls get destroyed because...well....they bite people.

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"I wish those vicious creatures could be banned." ***WARNING: GRAPHIC*** [View all] baldguy May 2013 OP

JFC, what the FUCK is wrong with some people. Appalling. ETA uppityperson May 2013 #1

Anyone who supports BSL laws Drale May 2013 #2

What about those who support gun laws joeglow3 May 2013 #43

Do you have difficulty telling the difference between an object and an animal? Scootaloo May 2013 #64

You are awesome OwnedByCats May 2013 #149

I have a request of you joeglow3 May 2013 #168

It's a false dilemma Scootaloo May 2013 #180

That is my point joeglow3 May 2013 #182

Your point is weird. Scootaloo May 2013 #206

Interesting test. Took me 2 tries. laundry_queen May 2013 #212

It's a weirdly eugencist argument, isn't it? DirkGently May 2013 #232

Thank you azurnoir May 2013 #217

What are BSL laws? SheilaT May 2013 #89

Let me Google that for you... DRoseDARs May 2013 #92

Thank you. SheilaT May 2013 #100

I'd never heard of it either. tblue May 2013 #114

what is this BSL you are talking about? Quantess May 2013 #220

What it stands for is OwnedByCats May 2013 #148

The pain and abuse of these creatures is horrifying. defacto7 May 2013 #3

Of the pics I posted: set on fire, starved, beaten, stabbed, shot, doused in acid, legs broken.... baldguy May 2013 #6

It really is a terrible thing. defacto7 May 2013 #21

All animal abuse is wrong OwnedByCats May 2013 #151

Are any of those photos Jenoch May 2013 #133

Did someone really say this? Control-Z May 2013 #173

All the quotes in the OP are taken from DU posts over the last couple weeks. baldguy May 2013 #174

I think my posts were allowed to stand because Boudica the Lyoness May 2013 #210

You're a real work of art. AnnetteJacobs May 2013 #227

What are "these dogs?" DirkGently May 2013 #230

Yes that was me. Why the hell would I feel shame Boudica the Lyoness May 2013 #209

Hey. Back off!! Control-Z May 2013 #211

Yes they need to eliminated. Boudica the Lyoness May 2013 #214

My protection of pit bulls? Control-Z May 2013 #216

Do you honestly believe your own OwnedByCats May 2013 #221

Blame the victim. Incredible. Out of all those photos, only 2 were caused by other dogs, rest humans uppityperson May 2013 #215

And this is why I simply can not watch Animal Planet. Rage spikes to 11. nt DRoseDARs May 2013 #4

Animal abuse is ugly and people who abuse animals should be punished. Arkansas Granny May 2013 #5

It's the false ideas about "breed characteristics" which bring about the abuse. baldguy May 2013 #8

exactly PD Turk May 2013 #23

The last Pit I encountered sarisataka May 2013 #24

Have you ever watched the show OwnedByCats May 2013 #155

I haven't seen that one sarisataka May 2013 #176

Yeah that one is "Pit Bulls and Parolees" OwnedByCats May 2013 #178

And the last pit I encountered bit me blueamy66 May 2013 #172

I have been bit by dogs sarisataka May 2013 #177

I don't know what that says about other breeds. blueamy66 May 2013 #179

I agree dogs should be properly OwnedByCats May 2013 #225

I'd like to see life in prison and daily beatings for people who would do this. kysrsoze May 2013 #42

Keep fighting the good fight, Baldguy. truebluegreen May 2013 #7

How much you wanna bet the dog haters won't appear to post on this thread? baldguy May 2013 #10

I hear you. And you are right. truebluegreen May 2013 #14

I feel the same as you: rage OwnedByCats May 2013 #159

+100 truebluegreen May 2013 #166

I'm here and I'm a PIT BULL hater. Boudica the Lyoness May 2013 #213

Another post full of twaddle OwnedByCats May 2013 #222

No, Boud. It's vicious dog culture that is cruel. DirkGently May 2013 #231

Your post is as disgusting as the abuse of these dogs.. TheProgressive May 2013 #9

Your concern is noted. truebluegreen May 2013 #12

How many posts have we seen spammed across DU showing human victims of dog attacks? baldguy May 2013 #13

As I said, your post is disgusting as is the dog abuse... TheProgressive May 2013 #18

To illustrate the lengths that disgusting human beings will do to turn an Luminous Animal May 2013 #22

Uncomfortable for some reason? flvegan May 2013 #30

This post is more for the *pleasure* of the author TheProgressive May 2013 #34

So...no answer, then. flvegan May 2013 #35

And what if you are wrong and the OP cares deeply for the animals? Quixote1818 May 2013 #104

Probably not. sibelian May 2013 #164

Pleasure??? OwnedByCats May 2013 #175

No only YOU would speculate. nt Quixote1818 May 2013 #105

Well why don't you tell the anti-pit bull OwnedByCats May 2013 #162

You were warned about graphic pictures. You didn't have to click on the thread. /nt dballance May 2013 #46

...according to you. I think people need to see just how vicious animal abusers are kysrsoze May 2013 #49

Can't handle the truth? "Such gross graphics"? nomorenomore08 May 2013 #70

Then hit alert. Tien1985 May 2013 #158

Sometimes reality is disgusting. justiceischeap May 2013 #160

Um...no. Chan790 May 2013 #169

I forgot to say, I like the quotes you put in italics between the stories of the dogs. uppityperson May 2013 #11

Yep. The quotes are greatly appreciated. Luminous Animal May 2013 #19

Sadness and rage REP May 2013 #15

I have 2 friends that do pit bull rescue and are highly successful Luminous Animal May 2013 #16

WTF is wrong with people... one_voice May 2013 #17

Good dogs! baldguy May 2013 #26

Those are the eyes of lovers not haters. Dogs know when they are rescued and love you for it. Dragonfli May 2013 #33

Illogical argument. Bonobo May 2013 #20

The abuse creates the danger. baldguy May 2013 #25

Factually incorrect. flvegan May 2013 #28

Compare pit-bull (ish) dog attacks vs. irish setter attacks. Bonobo May 2013 #45

Let me know when you can front that data. flvegan May 2013 #60

I'm just recognizing that you are correct Bonobo May 2013 #62

The are some dogs which are more dangerous: unspayed/unneutered dogs who are't trained & socialized. baldguy May 2013 #63

And I like and respect you, Bonobo. We've come a long way. flvegan May 2013 #65

Retrievers have an instinct which makes them Bonobo May 2013 #67

A few preleminaries. Scootaloo May 2013 #76

You laid that out beautifully. Bonobo May 2013 #80

"Instinct" is something of a red herring Scootaloo May 2013 #96

They wouldn't have made breeds caseymoz May 2013 #108

Direct hit narrowly averted! Scootaloo May 2013 #110

Hilarious. caseymoz May 2013 #135

Yup, they are easily overcome Scootaloo May 2013 #141

Gee, looks like someone down-thread is going to be busy for a while exterminating all those breeds. DRoseDARs May 2013 #142

And this isn't even the tip of the iceberg! Scootaloo May 2013 #143

Nope, them too. Looks like they've a bit of Mastiff in them. nt DRoseDARs May 2013 #144

Well... I guess there's always the aibo? Scootaloo May 2013 #145

No, they might not be safe for children under two years of age. Jamastiene May 2013 #152

Great post, thank you! nt dorkzilla May 2013 #150

Pits were initially, during times of "legitimate" dog fighting (whatever that is) cui bono May 2013 #146

I was bit hard by a neighbor's Irish Setter when I was 13. 7 stitches and a lot of bruising. haele May 2013 #183

It does when you take into account the type of people who abuse them and fight them cui bono May 2013 #37

A-a-aw! Luminous Animal May 2013 #47

Any dog that is raised to fiight for their life is going to keep on fighting for the Luminous Animal May 2013 #38

I don't disagree Bonobo May 2013 #48

I know dogs. I know how hunting dogs are trained and I know how Luminous Animal May 2013 #121

First of all, people have to clarify what exactly they mean by "pit bull." nomorenomore08 May 2013 #53

I never called for any ban on any dog. Bonobo May 2013 #54

I agree that certain dog owners, and their pets, should be monitored more closely. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #66

From all evidence of comparative behavior - Dragonfli May 2013 #27

Dogs deserve better from humans. baldguy May 2013 #29

I believe in Dog. tblue May 2013 #115

I hate to see any animal abused SouthernLiberal May 2013 #31

This pit bull rescuer thanks you for this. flvegan May 2013 #32

What fucking garbage! whatchamacallit May 2013 #36

How many posts have we seen spammed across DU showing pics of human victims of dog attacks? baldguy May 2013 #39

They have less pit bull attacks in France - because they have laws against those dogs The Straight Story May 2013 #52

Consistent abuse of the animals contribute to their disposition. Luminous Animal May 2013 #41

I'm just glad his name is 'baldguy' tblue May 2013 #122

Some of the sweetest dogs I've ever known were pure-bred (or close to it) APBT's. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #40

I've written here before of being bitten by a Golden. Starry Messenger May 2013 #44

Man doesn't want puppy growing trusting of Humans, brings puppy with him out in public. DRoseDARs May 2013 #50

It was 23 years ago and it still distresses me. Starry Messenger May 2013 #55

And you would have gone to jail if you'd tried to rescue the little guy. That's the tragedy. DRoseDARs May 2013 #59

Unlikely. flvegan May 2013 #72

The majority of those images are of dogs that were used as bait for dog fight training FedUpWithIt All May 2013 #51

I specifically selected cases where the abuse was *NOT* inflicted by other animals. baldguy May 2013 #58

That's not just pitbulls it happens too , it happens to all breeds newmember May 2013 #79

It happens more often to Pit Bulls, because of people like you baldguy May 2013 #83

Gotcha , you get angry when you see a true story of a pit bull attacking and killing a person newmember May 2013 #85

"Gotcha"? You advocate genocide just to score some brownie points with DU's anti-dog crew? baldguy May 2013 #88

The only one showing immaturity in this thread so far is you newmember May 2013 #90

Paul Reubans did it better than you. He could dance in the Big Shoes, too. baldguy May 2013 #95

I don't get emotional on the internet newmember May 2013 #98

Every post you make on this subject is emotional. baldguy May 2013 #101

You aren't fooling anyone... Kalidurga May 2013 #218

Several of your own links clarify that the injuries are from use as bait dogs. FedUpWithIt All May 2013 #234

http://www.aspca.org Rex May 2013 #56

"You don't ever see any gang bangers hanging out with golden retrievers." Scootaloo May 2013 #57

But if you call them on it, they get all offended. baldguy May 2013 #61

People who do this to the poor dogs should get the same punishment Apophis May 2013 #68

not only should they be banned galileoreloaded May 2013 #69

People like you are part of the problem depicted in the OP. baldguy May 2013 #71

i make hard choices to protect the public, yes galileoreloaded May 2013 #74

Well, wait... Wait a second. Scootaloo May 2013 #78

Yes, that's exactly what they're saying. This is the point of my OP. baldguy May 2013 #97

You're too thick to get it, aren't you? You "choices" would make things worse - and do. baldguy May 2013 #81

your pits kill. people. real people. every day. galileoreloaded May 2013 #82

That's a flat-out lie. 34 were people killed by all dogs in all of 2012 - out of 89 million dogs. baldguy May 2013 #86

Search says 34 last yr not 352. uppityperson May 2013 #137

Why is that? flvegan May 2013 #73

because i embrace reality? galileoreloaded May 2013 #75

You hate dogs too? BainsBane May 2013 #124

.. newmember May 2013 #77

Actually, the number deaths attributed in 2011 to Pit Bulls is 2. Not 22. baldguy May 2013 #84

Yea okay the ones I posted the dogs were killed and identified newmember May 2013 #87

Who were they identified by? Were they AKC registered? baldguy May 2013 #93

Do you know what a pit bull is ? newmember May 2013 #94

I definitely do. You obviously don't - or simply don't care. I'm willing to bet it's the latter. baldguy May 2013 #99

You are way too emotional to have a conversation with newmember May 2013 #102

This from a person known for hyperbole, is lying left & right, and is channeling Pee Wee Herman. baldguy May 2013 #103

So I guess my post was right about you then newmember May 2013 #106

Guessing from his username, it may be safe to assume he's old enough to be bald. Just sayin'. nt DRoseDARs May 2013 #109

If you hadn't noticed - facts have no effect on them. baldguy May 2013 #112

Perhaps , I'm not angry with him newmember May 2013 #113

Says the person claiming pit bulls kill people every day. It is hard to have a conversation with uppityperson May 2013 #138

That I'm emotional about this? Yeah, you caught me. I'm guilty. baldguy May 2013 #111

Imagine that, getting emotional over animals being tortured, right? Scootaloo May 2013 #116

And he supposedly works in a shelter. baldguy May 2013 #117

see what I mean newmember May 2013 #119

You're the one they get to shovel puppies into the gas chamber? baldguy May 2013 #120

Don't tell us you volunteer at one of PETA's shelters, that would be appalling. DRoseDARs May 2013 #123

No not PETA, it's our local shelter in town , If the dog is unadaptable due to aggression newmember May 2013 #126

For not being PETA, you have at least that respect from me. DRoseDARs May 2013 #127

So it is an all-kill shelter. baldguy May 2013 #131

Absolutely not , we have adoptions for almost every dog . newmember May 2013 #134

Good for you BainsBane May 2013 #132

Get caught in a falsehood and bounce Lordquinton May 2013 #118

i watch "pit bulls and parolees" and it DesertFlower May 2013 #91

Human breeders can be such cruel sick fucks. ErikJ May 2013 #107

Watch "Pedigree Dogs Exposed." Scootaloo May 2013 #130

There is no way this suffering is relevant caseymoz May 2013 #125

Thank you for your lengthy post filled with words and sentences. nt DRoseDARs May 2013 #128

And you're title, filled with redundancy. caseymoz May 2013 #136

You chose to type a lengthy post dismissing the entire thread without reading. DRoseDARs May 2013 #139

I think the point was more in line with "should people be banned?" Quixote1818 May 2013 #129

That question is foolish caseymoz May 2013 #140

Side note... TXleigh May 2013 #147

What always gets me about dogs is how much abuse they will take from someone... Jamastiene May 2013 #153

good post. I think there is an easier solution instead of ban by breed. Sunlei May 2013 #170

This is Stella, one of my dog walking clients. smokey nj May 2013 #171

It is worse than that LostOne4Ever May 2013 #154

OMG POOR DOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! newfie11 May 2013 #156

I spent this morning reading all these comments life long demo May 2013 #157

dog fighting, animal abuse are crimes. unfortunate a Misdemeanor in many states Sunlei May 2013 #161

Execution get the red out May 2013 #163

du rec. nt xchrom May 2013 #165

I personally wish I could ban humans from existing we are the number one threat to ourselves Arcanetrance May 2013 #167

I have noticed that virtually all of the anti-pit advocates here are the authoritarians. Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #181

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #184

Speaking out about animal abuse gets "people and beloved pets killed"? What? uppityperson May 2013 #185

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #187

You're irredeemable. Such sensationalism cases the abuse depicted here. And you are lying. baldguy May 2013 #190

"Erroneous reportage" happens a lot, where the dog is not a pit bull. uppityperson May 2013 #192

You're advocating the abuse of defensless, innocent animals that have comitted no crimes. baldguy May 2013 #186

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People like you set fire to that puppy. baldguy May 2013 #191

THANK YOU JURORS!!! uppityperson May 2013 #193

I just found out a few things pintobean May 2013 #223

"member's posting privileges were revoked on Dec 31, 1969" Wow L0oniX May 2013 #228

Must have been a particularly egregious infraction AnnetteJacobs May 2013 #229

its awful how much pitts Texasgal May 2013 #188

I'll be interested to see if this thread gets hidden... Nine May 2013 #194

The abuse & neglect of irresponsible owners creates dangerous dogs. baldguy May 2013 #195

Got it. If I believe pit bulls should be regulated I'm responsible for the actions of animal abusers Nine May 2013 #196

It's good to see you admit how poisonous, destructive & disingenuous it is to believe otherwise. baldguy May 2013 #197

Is this really how you want to represent your side? Nine May 2013 #198

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Keep it up. You're making a great ambassador for your side. Nine May 2013 #201

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Well I could post pictures of mauled children and accuse you of supporting it. Nine May 2013 #204

Nah, you stooped. flvegan May 2013 #208

Here's that quote in context Nine May 2013 #219

And some say pit bulls are dangerous...seems people do much more harm cry baby May 2013 #200

I think you are making a linkage that isn't there wercal May 2013 #202

You don't really get a broad spectrum of normal canine behavior in a high-kill shelter, do you? baldguy May 2013 #205

Go ahead. Insult me. wercal May 2013 #207

Ahhh yes. 99Forever May 2013 #224

Its some of the owners of those dogs who need putting down : dipsydoodle May 2013 #226

Would have rec'ed this post if not for this: War Horse May 2013 #233

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