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randome

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74. There isn't a spreadsheet calculation to identify that.

Tue May 21, 2013, 08:34 PM

May 2013

When the speed limit was raised from 55 to 70, we knew there would be additional deaths but it was considered 'acceptable'. It's not something we can be precise about, a sort of gestalt decision gets made.

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I spent two years in college in Kansas. [View all] Cleita May 2013 OP

Because taxes. Lex May 2013 #1

There are high water tables in Oklahoma - basements flood! TheDebbieDee May 2013 #2

I'm not talking about a house basement, I'm talking about a concrete Cleita May 2013 #4

Oklahoma has regulations barring the construction of below-ground, steel-reinforced TheDebbieDee May 2013 #16

Nooo, Debbie, its got to be all political!! Everything's political!! CAG May 2013 #5

Not to change the subject, but does your username have anything to do with Naval Aviation? 11 Bravo May 2013 #58

No, just a nickname from childhood CAG May 2013 #72

They'd apparently rather just pray and hope that Gawd kestrel91316 May 2013 #3

Not only that, many of those cities will pony up the money Cleita May 2013 #6

oooh, yet another opportunistic agnostic televangelist CAG May 2013 #8

Love it! Called it for what it is. cordelia May 2013 #33

And that's the freaking truth malaise May 2013 #51

Tornado deaths average about 80 per year. A low number.... Logical May 2013 #7

OMG! You seem to not think those children who are dead and missing Cleita May 2013 #10

Money is not unlimited! You realize that? 6000 children die in... Logical May 2013 #14

There's plenty of money once we get it away from the 1%. Cleita May 2013 #17

Fatal tornados are extremely rare events. n-t Logical May 2013 #19

Fatal anything are rare events, yet if there are chances they could Cleita May 2013 #20

And if you knew one state would receive all the tornados we... Logical May 2013 #21

I think schools and hospitals should be made safe if nothing else. Cleita May 2013 #22

hat is the precise number of deaths needed to "consider spending a lot of money..."? LanternWaste May 2013 #54

Bedrock. To create basements or tunnels requires dynamite. kwassa May 2013 #9

These are people's children we are talking about. Cleita May 2013 #12

It sounds like you are another one willing to spend as much ...... oldhippie May 2013 #60

Yes, I am, socialist commie that I am. Also, I don't believe it's Cleita May 2013 #62

This is Nothing Compared to The Subsidies and Money Hidden by American Corporations otohara May 2013 #66

WTF are you talking about? ..... oldhippie May 2013 #69

I've seen steel reinforced concrete slabs over 6 feet thick busted up with big jack hammers. Ganja Ninja May 2013 #48

I've seen rock dynamited to get at ores in mines and Cleita May 2013 #65

Thank you. First thing I thought. onehandle May 2013 #11

And there are those who are saying it would be too expensive Cleita May 2013 #13

You seem to be to emotional to discuss this! n-t Logical May 2013 #15

Of course I'm emotional. I actually have a heart. Cleita May 2013 #18

We make these kind of calculations all the time. randome May 2013 #34

Therein lies the problem. It's a conservative problem, we can't save one life Cleita May 2013 #37

We should lower the speed limit back down to 55 to save lives. randome May 2013 #75

False equivalency argument. Cleita May 2013 #76

What then is the precise amount of deaths that would then allow consideration for the construction? LanternWaste May 2013 #55

There isn't a spreadsheet calculation to identify that. randome May 2013 #74

You seem to be applying a subjective premise to an objective measure-- quite emotional also. LanternWaste May 2013 #56

How much should you spend to save 1 life in a million to 1 chance? n-t Logical May 2013 #57

I do not know why those schools did not have storm shelters LeftInTX May 2013 #23

Really, in San Antonio? Cleita May 2013 #24

I've lived here 30 years LeftInTX May 2013 #25

Yep, I do remember the flooding. Scary weather all right. Cleita May 2013 #28

Real estate developers and corrupt legislators. Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #26

I'm not buy the rocky ground argument for not building bunkers. Cleita May 2013 #30

You're absolutely right. That's just an excuse. Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #36

Thank you. Until we dump the "it can't be done" BS, we will still live in the Cleita May 2013 #40

Or the lame Dynamite excuse either. Ganja Ninja May 2013 #50

Even if dynamite is required, it's the cheapest stuff around. n/t Cleita May 2013 #52

It isn't? How would you do it? kwassa May 2013 #73

Low bid regulations for public buildings. SoCalDem May 2013 #27

Now I just heard that Senator Coburn of OK doesn't want any disaster Cleita May 2013 #29

Regardless of who the low bidder is on a building ... Ganja Ninja May 2013 #49

MONEY... cynatnite May 2013 #31

If there were oil under there they would find the money, trust me. Cleita May 2013 #32

I'm not disagreeing. I grew up in Moore... cynatnite May 2013 #35

I'm not talking basements, but bunkers and tunnels, a difference. Cleita May 2013 #38

There are thousands of schools in tornado alley which stretches across several states... cynatnite May 2013 #41

Sure there is. Why the fuck not? closeupready May 2013 #42

You are talking tens of thousands of schools in small towns... cynatnite May 2013 #44

Many of those eight states you speak of have had the foresight to install such Cleita May 2013 #53

Really? Look at our military budget and cut it in half, which is what Cleita May 2013 #43

It's not just the money... cynatnite May 2013 #45

Not all those schools in all those states are in areas where rock has to Cleita May 2013 #46

It took 8 years to put a man on the moon, but closeupready May 2013 #47

It's a valid question, IMO. closeupready May 2013 #39

Soil must not have been hard in that part of KS pstokely May 2013 #59

Hard has nothing to do with it. It's an unwillingness to invest in infrastructure Cleita May 2013 #64

Did you go to K-state or kU? pstokely May 2013 #78

I went to St. Mary College in Leavenworth and they were tunnels not basements. Cleita May 2013 #80

What college did you go to in Kansas. 1KansasDem May 2013 #61

I didn't go to a university but a woman's college. Cleita May 2013 #63

tunnels must be very expensive. Liberal_in_LA May 2013 #67

So is life. I hope you aren't on the "it's okay to lose lives when they Cleita May 2013 #68

no, but communities are unlikely to include tunnels under every public building Liberal_in_LA May 2013 #70

Somebody else had a suggestion about community tunnels or bunkers Cleita May 2013 #71

Rachel just said that there are FEMA funds available for safe rooms to Cleita May 2013 #77

the cost benefit analysis says it's too much $$$. NuttyFluffers May 2013 #79

Thank you. Cleita May 2013 #81