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Ms. Toad

(38,716 posts)
90. Plenty - and apparently you are not clear, yourself, about the applicable laws
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:16 PM
May 2013

The age of consent has to do with the age at which a child can consent to have sex with anyone (regardless of whether her partner is another child or an adult). Below that age, any child engaging in sexual activity can generally be adjudicated a juvenile delinquent by reason of sexual activity.

In addition to the child being delinquent, an adult may be guilty of contributing to the delinquency of a minor or of statutory rape - but not always.

(I am using statutory rape as shorthand for any crime for which an older participant can be charged merely because sexual activity of some sort took place and the ages fit the statute.)

So there could be:
two minors both below the age of consent
two minors one below and one above but within the age range that makes it not rape
two minors one below and one above outside the age range that makes it not rape
a minor and an adult within the age range which makes it not rape
a minor and an adult outside the age range (or cutoff) at which it is not rape.

(Aand a few other variations I won't bother to list) The individuals who could be charged in each case are different

in the first, both could be adjudicated delinquent.
In the second, one could be adjudicated delinquent and the second charged with nothing
In the third, one could be adjudicated delinquent (statutes will vary on this) and the second charged either as an adult with statutory rape or contributing to the delinquency of a minor - or adjudicated a juvenile delinquent by reason of statutory rape.
In the fourth, the first could be adjudicated a delinquent and the adult not charged at all (or at most with contributing to the delinquency of a minor)
In the fifth, the adult could be charged with statutory rape

The laws on this matter are pretty complex - and much more suited to review on a case by case basis (within a peer group - like high school, with 18 year olds peers to 14 year olds, or college with 17 year olds peers to 21 year olds).

Statutory rape provisions (by whatever name) are intended to replace the force element in rape with a presumption that force occurred by virtue of the difference in power/age. That presumption does not work well across the board within peer groups - and really should be looked at on a case by case basis. If the 14 year old was in middle school, this would be a different question in my mind. If Kaitlyn had graduated and come back after being out on her own for a year, this would be a different question. These girls were in classes together, on varsity sports teams together, and in general acted as equals because that is how their school designed it. The law should take that into account by looking at the circumstances - just as it does in every other sexual offense crime in which it evaluates whether the activity was against the will of one of the participants.

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WTF? FLyellowdog May 2013 #1
There is a window of opportunity that was used here... ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #4
I dont think the story is quite accurate. HooptieWagon May 2013 #7
Kaitlyn turned 18 in September. If you go to the FreeKate.net page the story is laid out. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #8
That is correct rebecca_herman May 2013 #30
Re being "old" for her grade - Ms. Toad May 2013 #49
here rebecca_herman May 2013 #51
This law is often used against older boyfriends of whom the parents disapprove Yo_Mama May 2013 #11
I don't think it should be used in this manner. Or, I think we have to stop letting those over 18 ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #12
At what age do you draw the line shawn703 May 2013 #15
I think you need to reread that. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #16
do you believe that... Bully Taw May 2013 #18
She's a kid. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #20
but, they were not dropped in others... Bully Taw May 2013 #23
Then we need to not let 18 year olds go to high school anymore. End of story ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #25
that makes sense Bully Taw May 2013 #28
Perhaps we ought to just not prosecute within the high school peer group? LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #46
perhaps easier Bully Taw May 2013 #59
Exactly shawn703 May 2013 #60
Weeeeelll, that right there's a multi-layered answer LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #85
Thank you... ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #67
14 year old is a child. 18 year old is a legal adult. LisaL May 2013 #70
I don't care about the male or female aspect... I'd have the same opinion, regardless of preference. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #72
Freshmen are generally 14-15 years old shawn703 May 2013 #22
My son's freshman class is made up of 14-17 year olds. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #27
Wouldn't the wisest course of action for an 18yo be shawn703 May 2013 #32
The wisest course of action is to not prosecute high school kids. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #34
She's an adult shawn703 May 2013 #36
She's a kid... and 14 year olds unfortunately do become sexually active. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #37
I'll make it simple shawn703 May 2013 #39
Come on, man... these are teenagers... davidn3600 May 2013 #56
A lot of statutory rape? shawn703 May 2013 #57
The fact that there are some here who support child molestation felony charges when the ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #61
A 14 year old girl can give consent? shawn703 May 2013 #63
Since 14 year old is below the legal age of consent, how is it possible for a 14 year old LisaL May 2013 #65
Please read the OP. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #66
The point is that kids dont think about this stuff davidn3600 May 2013 #74
Obviously this one did think about this stuff shawn703 May 2013 #84
And did you know the details of the statutory rape law for your state Ms. Toad May 2013 #50
I knew the age of adulthood shawn703 May 2013 #53
So the answer is no. Ms. Toad May 2013 #75
Obviously the adults did know what the laws are shawn703 May 2013 #79
So which state do you live in Ms. Toad May 2013 #87
Currently or when I was 18? shawn703 May 2013 #92
That's exactly the point I've been trying to make Ms. Toad May 2013 #94
Let me ask you a question because Im very curious... davidn3600 May 2013 #88
If my 14 year old son shawn703 May 2013 #93
Are you sure of your facts? I believe you are in error. MADem May 2013 #83
There is a difference between the age of consent - Ms. Toad May 2013 #86
In your summary, the victim in Florida has to be sixteen for the 24 y.o. thing to kick in. MADem May 2013 #91
My freshman kid is 16 trumad May 2013 #55
it is the law... Bully Taw May 2013 #17
She is not being charged with statutory rape. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #19
would statutory rape misdemeanor... Bully Taw May 2013 #21
I could live with the parents talking to the child and her parents ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #24
as would i Bully Taw May 2013 #26
Please reread our discussion. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #33
you are absolving an adult Bully Taw May 2013 #41
I need to chime in here, just because the law makes an arbitrary decision on "adulthood" truebrit71 May 2013 #44
So. Are you then arguing that all statutory rape laws should be abolished? LisaL May 2013 #64
Not in the slightest. I am suggesting that some intelligence is brought into the equation... truebrit71 May 2013 #76
it's only going to get worse due to the redshirting trend rebecca_herman May 2013 #31
Agreed. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #38
and not even just the dating issue rebecca_herman May 2013 #40
it's very much a socioeconomic thing where I live rebecca_herman May 2013 #42
Wrong law - it's a second or third degree felony depending on age of perp. Yo_Mama May 2013 #13
This is horrifying. CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #2
It's finally gaining some traction in the press. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #5
Double standards HockeyMom May 2013 #3
Yep. Her parents feel that Kaitlyn "made" their daughter gay. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #6
Don't they have faith that they can pray their daughter straight? Downwinder May 2013 #10
Yeah, pray that Gay away. RC May 2013 #14
What happened to that black kid was horrible Horse with no Name May 2013 #77
His name was Marcus Dixon and he currently plays for the Kansas City Chiefs. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #80
Oh my goodness! Horse with no Name May 2013 #81
I remember watching that Oprah show with tears in my eyes. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #82
Just another sunny day in the sunshine state. William769 May 2013 #9
Yet another arrest. Loge23 May 2013 #29
I don't know... ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #35
Does it have to be all or nothing? rebecca_herman May 2013 #43
Good response, and I agree completely. NaturalHigh May 2013 #45
It is what seems most reasonable to me rebecca_herman May 2013 #47
What's sad is that her parents have offered that. They have offered to move ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #69
+1 HiPointDem May 2013 #54
People want prisons to be the answer to everything davidn3600 May 2013 #48
Revenue generator LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #89
Are we SURE we're not letting our support for Gay Rights get in the way of our judgement here? brett_jv May 2013 #52
Let's take this out of HS HockeyMom May 2013 #58
17 is above the age of consent in most states. LisaL May 2013 #62
"Common sense on a case by case basis is what is needed." That is exactly what I posted ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #68
Common sense on a case by case basis? LisaL May 2013 #71
Have a nice day LisaL... as you read through this thread, you will see ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #73
Plenty - and apparently you are not clear, yourself, about the applicable laws Ms. Toad May 2013 #90
Judges have discretion HockeyMom May 2013 #95
...and the mug shot .coms will enjoy the extra traffic from her picture and personal info ...forever L0oniX May 2013 #78
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