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wercal

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46. I wouldn't have a problem putting my kids in a tank either
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:36 PM
May 2013

Its just a precast concrete vault, buried in the ground - it should be very effective.

I think your objection to the OP is the idea of putting multiple small pods buried outside next to a school...and there are some problems with that, purely from the perspective that its hard to control small children and get them grouped up and running to the correct pod...and in general it would be better to have the shelter interior to the building, so nobody has to dash outside.

But every one of the photos in the OP looks like a viable shelter for home use.

I actually think the $1.2 million is on the high side...and the what we have added these things to schools is not purely as a shelter, but dual use, like adding a hardened classroom on to the end of a building. So, its just an additional expense when adding on to the school - not a stand alone expense with no benefit, unless a storm comes.

But even at $1.2 million, this is not an unsurmountable cost. These things can be bonded for 20 years, so the debt service would be something like $70k a year...not much more than the cost of one senior teaching position (not that they would actually have to lose a position, since the operating costs for schools are seperate from the capital costs, which are usually only paid by special mill levies, after a referendum election).

So, looking at the ballot meaure...Moore, Ok has 23 schools...and 40k people which is about 19k households. The total cost would be $27.6 million, with an annual debt service $1.61 million....or (assuming all houses in Moore had the same value) around $7 per month additional property taxes. I think most people would vote 'yes' on that ballot measure.

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The main problem with underground shelters is that you BlueToTheBone May 2013 #1
That "issue" was discussed ad nauseum yesterday SoCalDem May 2013 #2
The schools could also be community shelters. kentuck May 2013 #3
That's what they did in Wadena Minnesota MrsMatt May 2013 #26
Doubt Oklahoma pols will ever tamp down egregious oil-industry subsidies to fund shelters indepat May 2013 #51
If you have that other thing...money to do what you want and need to do. BlueToTheBone May 2013 #5
I used my Tornado Shelter for a Darkroom formercia May 2013 #25
+1. This describes it well, IMO. winter is coming May 2013 #4
You've inadvertently spelled "kolache" kentauros May 2013 #7
lol! I'm hungry BlueToTheBone May 2013 #9
No problem! kentauros May 2013 #13
"...you can't dig in the ground." KansDem May 2013 #10
Well, they have all the money in the world and BlueToTheBone May 2013 #12
Your average homeowner won't be able to rent a trencher as pictured above, kentauros May 2013 #15
As we speak, Pipeline is Being Built in Oklahoma wercal May 2013 #32
This was discussed yesterday wercal May 2013 #30
hmmmm. my civil engineer friend from OK galileoreloaded May 2013 #35
I'm actually from Kansas wercal May 2013 #36
so it sounds like we are close. galileoreloaded May 2013 #37
For my personal use wercal May 2013 #39
snd you should because you are an engineer galileoreloaded May 2013 #42
I wouldn't have a problem putting my kids in a tank either wercal May 2013 #46
i agree w you completely. just a huge issue with the ignorance sometimes. nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #47
Rebuild homes each with above ground shelter. godai May 2013 #6
I would hope, then, that such an above-ground structure kentauros May 2013 #11
those storms are amazing, aren't they? BlueToTheBone May 2013 #14
At the same time we also make things that blow up spectacularly. kentauros May 2013 #16
Wow! I'm glad I missed that! BlueToTheBone May 2013 #17
I can't find anything on it, as I don't recall enough details. kentauros May 2013 #19
It is concrete and steel. godai May 2013 #21
Okay, so it's partially buried. kentauros May 2013 #23
can't do waivers Niceguy1 May 2013 #8
Would those protect against flooding, if buried? hlthe2b May 2013 #18
I wonder about that when I see these suggestions. kentauros May 2013 #20
And the loss of even 1 child if they aren't built? n2doc May 2013 #22
acts of nature Niceguy1 May 2013 #24
Protecting them from harm is not in 'God's' Job Description formercia May 2013 #29
The state is n2doc May 2013 #38
does the law require a safe area? Niceguy1 May 2013 #50
They would have to be handicap accessible too. $1.4 million sounds right. FSogol May 2013 #27
Well, I guess funerals are cheaper.. SoCalDem May 2013 #28
When we designed the new gym addition to our high school wercal May 2013 #31
seriously? galileoreloaded May 2013 #33
You first SoCalDem May 2013 #43
well, me and the civil engineer from kansas already debunked your thread galileoreloaded May 2013 #45
I hope they get NO federal money for this taught_me_patience May 2013 #34
I live in Oklahoma City and have looked at having an underground shelter put in RedEarth May 2013 #40
the figure came from the link I posted SoCalDem May 2013 #44
No, "they" aren't on crack. The building contractors are! nt kelliekat44 May 2013 #41
One) Shipping container won't really cut it. Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #48
$400,000 to construct a shelter and $1,000,000 to do it compliant with all rules and regs FarCenter May 2013 #49
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