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In reply to the discussion: Iceland campaigns to restrict internet porn [View all]Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)67. The internet views censorship as a routing problem.
That's the beauty of it, for everyone except people who still cling to the idea that somehow they're going to be able to control the communication of others.
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White-listing is much easier and much more effective than black-listing.
redgreenandblue
May 2013
#2
I don't like that because kids actually should have access to anything non-porn, like
Honeycombe8
May 2013
#102
That IS a low cost, effective way of limiting access to adults who intend to access those sites.
Honeycombe8
May 2013
#104
That's probably one of the things they're going to take a look at. You should pardon the pun.nt
Honeycombe8
May 2013
#103
They're not going to look at it at all, because the genuises who proposed this immediately lost
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#129
"it's not the government's responsibility to regulate consenting adults' sexual choices."
ForgoTheConsequence
May 2013
#3
If there's one truism in this age of electronic media: there's no shortage of ways to get porn.
Honeycombe8
May 2013
#105
Yes you did. Just like those people who said we could not defend women against Sharia.
stevenleser
May 2013
#17
I don't care what you think. You are not going to shut me up on free speech or women's rights
stevenleser
May 2013
#22
That is exactly what you were doing with the passive aggressive accusations against me and the other
stevenleser
May 2013
#26
Nope. But your nasty ad-hominem tactic is exactly that. An attempt to shame into silence
stevenleser
May 2013
#41
You are ignoring, perhaps, the psychological harm done by the exploitive pornographers ...
Sekhmets Daughter
May 2013
#130
That would be a first. I've never met an LGBT person into sex shaming before. I guess its possible.
stevenleser
May 2013
#61
A CIO friend said that people show their true colors when posting anonymously on the internet.
stevenleser
May 2013
#70
I think someone just stole your login and password. There is no ad-hominem in this post...
stevenleser
May 2013
#34
Like I said, it sounds like they already are. The people who proposed it got walloped at the polls.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#36
But you can't talk about the struggles of females under brutal theocratic regimes
LadyHawkAZ
May 2013
#112
Looks like Iceland is making their own decision on the matter already.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#16
An active mind is never bored. Kids should learn that. But not with porn. nt
Honeycombe8
May 2013
#106
anyone with any morality would condemn what can and does happen in the porn industry.
Whisp
May 2013
#69
Lemme know when someone walks into a mall and kills 20 people with a DVD of "Rocco does Prague"
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#48
And you would hear the same arguments from people in Texas arguing against their anti-sodomy laws.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#74
Right, or my right to love/marry someone of the same gender. Or speak out against the government.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#76
Unlike the clear and obvious connection between a picture of a naked woman and an AK-47.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#79
Well then you come up with some ironclad non-Burgeresque definition of "porn"
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#111
I'm saying that if you want to create some standard for "degrading" that isn't Potter Stewart's
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#174
A "clear" connection is disputable. But I think everyone here would agree that human trafficking
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#65
And porn isn't monolithic. But again, those are arguments for a healthy domestic porn industry.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#124
We agree that human trafficking and poverty are both terrible, and should be fought vigorously.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#96
More than anything, those are arguments for a healthy, vibrant, successful domestic porn industry.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#123
Fair enough. But it might be worth going past the propaganda to see the regulations already in place
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#157
related to those awful facebook vids and pics and confessions. the young are marinated in this shit
Whisp
May 2013
#73
the "young are acting like shitty animals"? Really? Is that why violent crime is down?
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#77
I also don't believe these hyperbolic examples are indicative of wide trends.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#109
I still don't buy the "culture in crisis" narrative. What are the exact numbers?
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#126
Is Sexy Baby the one where the woman was having labiaplasty because of something her boyfriend said?
redqueen
May 2013
#135
Couldn't the same argument be made for ANY cosmetic plastic surgery? ...
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#142
There are two numbers, the rate of increase and the number of procedures period.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#158
If the focus is on filtering the most extreme, violent material then perhaps this isn't a bad thing.
nomorenomore08
May 2013
#57
Reading this thread, the line between reasonable people and fanatic jerks looks very clear indeed.
2ndAmForComputers
May 2013
#63
Well, the Faurisson thing is certainly ironic, given the topic at hand.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#132
Iceland's not doing anything, yet-And the folks who proposed it immediately got drubbed at the polls
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#137
I agree that it's subjective. And I certainly agree that the MacKinnon approach, philosophically,
nomorenomore08
May 2013
#138
No doubt. The VU were one of my entry points (at about 18/19 - I'm 28 now) to the more far-out
nomorenomore08
May 2013
#143
Judging by 'Rock'n'Roll Animal' I'm sure he could put on a hell of a show in his day.
nomorenomore08
May 2013
#146
Parents have the right to have their children protected from porn, if they choose.
Honeycombe8
May 2013
#110
I'm not even thinking of sex/nudity per se, myself. I think we Americans tend to be a little uptight
nomorenomore08
May 2013
#116
I guess because those who consume it are, to a certain extent, the only ones aware of it.
nomorenomore08
May 2013
#131
Still, people like what they like. Even if censorship were a good idea, it's not feasable.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#133
Of course. I think you and I agree far more, in the end, than we disagree.
nomorenomore08
May 2013
#134
"..material easily accessible from "mainstream" sites is enough to freak out even somebody like me,
redqueen
May 2013
#139
I'm pretty desensitized, but not (I'd like to think) to real-life suffering.
nomorenomore08
May 2013
#150
To be blunt, banning porn is a dumb idea by foolish people who don't know how the internet works.
Kurska
May 2013
#161
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Iceland's proposed law wasn't a blanket porn ban.
nomorenomore08
May 2013
#162
Changing the criteria for what porn they want to ban doesn't at all make it any more possible
Kurska
May 2013
#164
I've got a better idea. Why don't they just enforce their laws against porn like we do?
KamaAina
May 2013
#173
Ban porn, force people into 2 years of mandatory labor, and sanitize the English language...
Pragdem
May 2013
#177
Because if consenting adults fuck in front of a camera and other consenting adults watch it
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#181
Well then I guess you've made a compelling case, there, for censoring porn.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#184