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Warren DeMontague

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72. Of course church goers are. So is everyone else.

Sun May 26, 2013, 04:41 PM

May 2013

People watching other people have sex is an extremely popular activity, which is one major (but not the only) reason censorship efforts are doomed to fail.

There is no evidence if the linked blog of "widespread human trafficking in porn". There is a church-based anti-porn organization talking about the issue, but that's not evidence. Sure, the people who think it's an issue, think it's an issue. And yes, there are ex-porn stars who are against porn, just as there are ex-porn stars who support the industry.

As for 12-17 year olds, some things are for adults. How people control the material their kids access is an issue, but it's an issue for the end user on the receiving end of the internet. We don't censor the universe down to a PG-13 level simply because there are people under 18 existing in it.

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Iceland campaigns to restrict internet porn [View all] alp227 May 2013 OP

There is a simple solution to internet porn access. SomethingFishy May 2013 #1

White-listing is much easier and much more effective than black-listing. redgreenandblue May 2013 #2

Works for me... SomethingFishy May 2013 #4

The problem is getting everyone, worldwide, to follow the rules. redgreenandblue May 2013 #15

The internet views censorship as a routing problem. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #67

I don't like that because kids actually should have access to anything non-porn, like Honeycombe8 May 2013 #102

Who will pay the costs of moving all the porn sites to .xxx? jmowreader May 2013 #6

Would it be that expensive? What if we don't change the www domain SomethingFishy May 2013 #7

It would be far more expensive than you think jmowreader May 2013 #120

How would you enforce that? Cairycat May 2013 #9

That IS a low cost, effective way of limiting access to adults who intend to access those sites. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #104

That's probably one of the things they're going to take a look at. You should pardon the pun.nt Honeycombe8 May 2013 #103

They're not going to look at it at all, because the genuises who proposed this immediately lost Warren DeMontague May 2013 #129

"it's not the government's responsibility to regulate consenting adults' sexual choices." ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #3

No it's not, but making it easier for parents to block porn sites SomethingFishy May 2013 #5

No one is taking away your porn. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #10

?? I didn't say they were. SomethingFishy May 2013 #11

That persons passive aggressive accusation against you is great isn't it? stevenleser May 2013 #23

FREEEEDUMB YOUUUU JUST R SKEERED THEYRE TAKING YER PORN Warren DeMontague May 2013 #28

If there's one truism in this age of electronic media: there's no shortage of ways to get porn. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #105

It's a wonder anyone does anything BUT masturbate, actually. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #128

Its not your responsibility to tell anyone else what they care about. nt stevenleser May 2013 #12

I haven't done that in the slightest. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #14

Yes you did. Just like those people who said we could not defend women against Sharia. stevenleser May 2013 #17

Give me a break. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #19

I don't care what you think. You are not going to shut me up on free speech or women's rights stevenleser May 2013 #22

No one is trying to shut you up. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #24

That is exactly what you were doing with the passive aggressive accusations against me and the other stevenleser May 2013 #26

Are you one of those people.... ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #37

Nope. But your nasty ad-hominem tactic is exactly that. An attempt to shame into silence stevenleser May 2013 #41

No, you just tried to end any discourse with sex shaming ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #42

Victim complex much? ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #46

Proudtobeblue obviously got the same impression. nt stevenleser May 2013 #49

I agree ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #51

You are ignoring, perhaps, the psychological harm done by the exploitive pornographers ... Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #130

Some of that was definitely at least borderline homophobic stevenleser May 2013 #52

Homophobic? ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #56

That would be a first. I've never met an LGBT person into sex shaming before. I guess its possible. stevenleser May 2013 #61

Uh huh ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #66

A CIO friend said that people show their true colors when posting anonymously on the internet. stevenleser May 2013 #70

Indeed. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #80

I totally believe you!!! Iggo May 2013 #144

You sound bitter, that we don't have a sex police here. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #25

Wrong. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #32

I think someone just stole your login and password. There is no ad-hominem in this post... stevenleser May 2013 #34

Like I said, it sounds like they already are. The people who proposed it got walloped at the polls. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #36

+++ Whisp May 2013 #148

!!!! redqueen May 2013 #29

Why am I not surprised that ad-hominem attacks are celebrated by you? nt stevenleser May 2013 #30

OBAMMER AINT GERNER TAKE MAH BUTT PLUG NO SIR Warren DeMontague May 2013 #40

But you can't talk about the struggles of females under brutal theocratic regimes LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #112

don't worry BainsBane May 2013 #156

"Carry on, but don't blame me if you go blind." ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #31

I thought it was funny. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #39

the butt plug thing was funnier. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #44

One time I thought I lost mine. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #47

It clearly could have been worse. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #50

Are you proposing some sort of registry? ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #55

No, no Warren DeMontague May 2013 #58

Looks like Iceland is making their own decision on the matter already. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #16

Now what is there to do in Iceland... lame54 May 2013 #8

An active mind is never bored. Kids should learn that. But not with porn. nt Honeycombe8 May 2013 #106

''consenting adults' sexual choices'' Whisp May 2013 #13

Except, what you're doing there is using an example of non-consent. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #20

"but that might disturb some freedumb speecher/righters" ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #21

sort of reminds me of that freedumb of owning any type of gunz shit. Whisp May 2013 #33

Take it up with the "Moral Majority" ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #38

anyone with any morality would condemn what can and does happen in the porn industry. Whisp May 2013 #69

Lemme know when someone walks into a mall and kills 20 people with a DVD of "Rocco does Prague" Warren DeMontague May 2013 #48

Hell, WalMart barely sells R rated movies. ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #53

Walmart and Iceland. Thinking of the children (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #62

Good point. Walmart sells semi-automatics but refuses to sell Playboy. Nye Bevan May 2013 #59

just saying The Defenders sound very much alike. n/t Whisp May 2013 #71

And you would hear the same arguments from people in Texas arguing against their anti-sodomy laws. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #74

"I'll give you my porn when you pry (or take) it from my cold, wet hands" Whisp May 2013 #75

Right, or my right to love/marry someone of the same gender. Or speak out against the government. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #76

sure, same difference all those things you are nonsensing about. Whisp May 2013 #78

Unlike the clear and obvious connection between a picture of a naked woman and an AK-47. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #79

I'm not talking about just a pic of a naked woman. Whisp May 2013 #85

Well then you come up with some ironclad non-Burgeresque definition of "porn" Warren DeMontague May 2013 #111

The similarities between fanatic gunners and porners are astoundingly similar. Whisp May 2013 #163

Wow, you are all over the map, here. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #165

The question of what exactly is porn? Whisp May 2013 #166

So how precisely does one define "degrading"? Warren DeMontague May 2013 #168

ok, I'll collect a pint of bull semen Whisp May 2013 #172

I'm saying that if you want to create some standard for "degrading" that isn't Potter Stewart's Warren DeMontague May 2013 #174

Seriously???? Bull semen??? opiate69 May 2013 #175

haha. sorry for that. Whisp May 2013 #176

Im reminded of Pickles's joke about the horse. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #180

Negative freedoms are easy, positive freedoms are hard. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #64

Nice strawman there. Apophis May 2013 #118

That's not porn, that's snuff. nt sibelian May 2013 #160

So Iceland will ban ebook downloads of "50 Shades of Grey"? (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #18

Interesting. redqueen May 2013 #27

There are things on the internet and in life far far worse than porn. n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #35

Here we see what really interests people BainsBane May 2013 #43

While this gets even LESS attention: Warren DeMontague May 2013 #54

Okay, but I don't see the connection BainsBane May 2013 #60

A "clear" connection is disputable. But I think everyone here would agree that human trafficking Warren DeMontague May 2013 #65

church goes are major consumers of porn BainsBane May 2013 #68

Of course church goers are. So is everyone else. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #72

There are certainly cases of child porn BainsBane May 2013 #82

Sure, and that's ALREADY very, very illegal. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #99

porn is disseminated on the web now BainsBane May 2013 #113

And porn isn't monolithic. But again, those are arguments for a healthy domestic porn industry. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #124

source BainsBane May 2013 #83

We agree that human trafficking and poverty are both terrible, and should be fought vigorously. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #96

What you are refusing to understand BainsBane May 2013 #101

I'm not "refusing to understand", I disagree. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #108

You aren't acknowledging the evidence BainsBane May 2013 #117

More than anything, those are arguments for a healthy, vibrant, successful domestic porn industry. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #123

A well regulated industry would be a step forward, for sure BainsBane May 2013 #153

Fair enough. But it might be worth going past the propaganda to see the regulations already in place Warren DeMontague May 2013 #157

related to those awful facebook vids and pics and confessions. the young are marinated in this shit Whisp May 2013 #73

the "young are acting like shitty animals"? Really? Is that why violent crime is down? Warren DeMontague May 2013 #77

I saw an interesting documentary BainsBane May 2013 #81

omg, what do they have done? Whisp May 2013 #86

reduce BainsBane May 2013 #89

no! I'm not looking. Whisp May 2013 #93

Here is a review of the documentary BainsBane May 2013 #115

I also don't believe these hyperbolic examples are indicative of wide trends. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #109

there was like a 70% increase BainsBane May 2013 #114

I still don't buy the "culture in crisis" narrative. What are the exact numbers? Warren DeMontague May 2013 #126

Do a google search for yourself. BainsBane May 2013 #152

Is Sexy Baby the one where the woman was having labiaplasty because of something her boyfriend said? redqueen May 2013 #135

Couldn't the same argument be made for ANY cosmetic plastic surgery? ... Warren DeMontague May 2013 #142

Cosmetic surgery in general has increased, yes BainsBane May 2013 #155

There are two numbers, the rate of increase and the number of procedures period. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #158

This woman didn't have a boyfriend BainsBane May 2013 #154

People are capable of having more than one concern in life.nt Honeycombe8 May 2013 #107

PORN THREAD! Warren DeMontague May 2013 #45

Is that your name sake? BainsBane May 2013 #90

Indeed. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #94

A reputation as a crusty aristocrat isn't so bad BainsBane May 2013 #98

My will? My will? Shit, I'm not even sick. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #100

If the focus is on filtering the most extreme, violent material then perhaps this isn't a bad thing. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #57

Reading this thread, the line between reasonable people and fanatic jerks looks very clear indeed. 2ndAmForComputers May 2013 #63

It's the only topic that brings the kids MattBaggins May 2013 #179

relegious right masquarding as progeserives Butcer May 2013 #84

You're right. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #87

chomsky is a doubious character to say the least Butcer May 2013 #91

Quotes and citations please. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #92

Well, the Faurisson thing is certainly ironic, given the topic at hand. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #132

Does anyone literally want to censor "every single sexy naked woman"? nomorenomore08 May 2013 #136

Iceland's not doing anything, yet-And the folks who proposed it immediately got drubbed at the polls Warren DeMontague May 2013 #137

I agree that it's subjective. And I certainly agree that the MacKinnon approach, philosophically, nomorenomore08 May 2013 #138

And I agree. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #140

No doubt. The VU were one of my entry points (at about 18/19 - I'm 28 now) to the more far-out nomorenomore08 May 2013 #143

That's because you have taste. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #145

Judging by 'Rock'n'Roll Animal' I'm sure he could put on a hell of a show in his day. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #146

Never been there, at least not that I recall. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #147

It's really not quite that simple... nomorenomore08 May 2013 #88

Exactly. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #97

Parents have the right to have their children protected from porn, if they choose. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #110

I'm not even thinking of sex/nudity per se, myself. I think we Americans tend to be a little uptight nomorenomore08 May 2013 #116

Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #95

Hello Butcer In_The_Wind May 2013 #121

If people don't like porn, they shouldn't go to those sites. Apophis May 2013 #119

but.... but..... the CHILDREN! (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #122

Mostly I agree, from a legal standpoint at least. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #125

If people aren't aware of it, it means they're not consuming it. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #127

I guess because those who consume it are, to a certain extent, the only ones aware of it. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #131

Still, people like what they like. Even if censorship were a good idea, it's not feasable. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #133

Of course. I think you and I agree far more, in the end, than we disagree. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #134

"..material easily accessible from "mainstream" sites is enough to freak out even somebody like me, redqueen May 2013 #139

I'm pretty desensitized, but not (I'd like to think) to real-life suffering. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #150

Censorship is wrong. Good that Iceland ousted their insane government LittleBlue May 2013 #141

I dont agree with censorship marions ghost May 2013 #149

Ice cold showers all around Blue Owl May 2013 #151

Big fat waste of time and resources Bradical79 May 2013 #159

To be blunt, banning porn is a dumb idea by foolish people who don't know how the internet works. Kurska May 2013 #161

To be fair, I'm pretty sure Iceland's proposed law wasn't a blanket porn ban. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #162

Changing the criteria for what porn they want to ban doesn't at all make it any more possible Kurska May 2013 #164

It's the thought that counts. dairydog91 May 2013 #167

The push for Gender Equality in Iceland LongTomH May 2013 #169

Ah. More laws are the solution! Of course. DeSwiss May 2013 #170

What is actually going on in Iceland FrodosPet May 2013 #171

I've got a better idea. Why don't they just enforce their laws against porn like we do? KamaAina May 2013 #173

Because they're talking about material containing adults. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #182

Ban porn, force people into 2 years of mandatory labor, and sanitize the English language... Pragdem May 2013 #177

Why is there this unusual belief that regulating porn MattBaggins May 2013 #178

Because if consenting adults fuck in front of a camera and other consenting adults watch it Warren DeMontague May 2013 #181

If you make videos of cars being repaired MattBaggins May 2013 #183

Well then I guess you've made a compelling case, there, for censoring porn. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #184