It's really not quite that simple... (Reply #88)

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Sun May 26, 2013, 05:29 PM

88. It's really not quite that simple...

While I'm generally very anti-censorship, and have no problem with pornography in and of itself - as they say, it's just people fucking - some of the material out there is appalling enough that I'd prefer young adolescents, at the very least, be shielded from it. We're talking all kinds of abuse, torture, simulated(?) gang rape - it's out there, and in vast quantities. And obviously, by its ubiquity, we know that somebody is getting off on the stuff. Reminds me that no place in the universe is more frightening than the human psyche...

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Iceland campaigns to restrict internet porn [View all]	alp227	May 2013	OP
There is a simple solution to internet porn access.	SomethingFishy	May 2013	#1
White-listing is much easier and much more effective than black-listing.	redgreenandblue	May 2013	#2
Works for me...	SomethingFishy	May 2013	#4
The problem is getting everyone, worldwide, to follow the rules.	redgreenandblue	May 2013	#15
The internet views censorship as a routing problem.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#67
I don't like that because kids actually should have access to anything non-porn, like	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#102
Who will pay the costs of moving all the porn sites to .xxx?	jmowreader	May 2013	#6
Would it be that expensive? What if we don't change the www domain	SomethingFishy	May 2013	#7
It would be far more expensive than you think	jmowreader	May 2013	#120
How would you enforce that?	Cairycat	May 2013	#9
That IS a low cost, effective way of limiting access to adults who intend to access those sites.	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#104
That's probably one of the things they're going to take a look at. You should pardon the pun.nt	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#103
They're not going to look at it at all, because the genuises who proposed this immediately lost	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#129
"it's not the government's responsibility to regulate consenting adults' sexual choices."	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#3
No it's not, but making it easier for parents to block porn sites	SomethingFishy	May 2013	#5
No one is taking away your porn.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#10
?? I didn't say they were.	SomethingFishy	May 2013	#11
That persons passive aggressive accusation against you is great isn't it?	stevenleser	May 2013	#23
FREEEEDUMB YOUUUU JUST R SKEERED THEYRE TAKING YER PORN	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#28
If there's one truism in this age of electronic media: there's no shortage of ways to get porn.	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#105
It's a wonder anyone does anything BUT masturbate, actually.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#128
Its not your responsibility to tell anyone else what they care about. nt	stevenleser	May 2013	#12
I haven't done that in the slightest.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#14
Yes you did. Just like those people who said we could not defend women against Sharia.	stevenleser	May 2013	#17
Give me a break.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#19
I don't care what you think. You are not going to shut me up on free speech or women's rights	stevenleser	May 2013	#22
No one is trying to shut you up.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#24
That is exactly what you were doing with the passive aggressive accusations against me and the other	stevenleser	May 2013	#26
Are you one of those people....	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#37
Nope. But your nasty ad-hominem tactic is exactly that. An attempt to shame into silence	stevenleser	May 2013	#41
No, you just tried to end any discourse with sex shaming	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	May 2013	#42
Victim complex much?	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#46
Proudtobeblue obviously got the same impression. nt	stevenleser	May 2013	#49
I agree	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	May 2013	#51
You are ignoring, perhaps, the psychological harm done by the exploitive pornographers ...	Sekhmets Daughter	May 2013	#130
Some of that was definitely at least borderline homophobic	stevenleser	May 2013	#52
Homophobic?	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#56
That would be a first. I've never met an LGBT person into sex shaming before. I guess its possible.	stevenleser	May 2013	#61
Uh huh	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#66
A CIO friend said that people show their true colors when posting anonymously on the internet.	stevenleser	May 2013	#70
Indeed.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#80
I totally believe you!!!	Iggo	May 2013	#144
You sound bitter, that we don't have a sex police here.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#25
Wrong.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#32
I think someone just stole your login and password. There is no ad-hominem in this post...	stevenleser	May 2013	#34
Like I said, it sounds like they already are. The people who proposed it got walloped at the polls.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#36
+++	Whisp	May 2013	#148
!!!!	redqueen	May 2013	#29
Why am I not surprised that ad-hominem attacks are celebrated by you? nt	stevenleser	May 2013	#30
OBAMMER AINT GERNER TAKE MAH BUTT PLUG NO SIR	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#40
But you can't talk about the struggles of females under brutal theocratic regimes	LadyHawkAZ	May 2013	#112
don't worry	BainsBane	May 2013	#156
"Carry on, but don't blame me if you go blind."	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	May 2013	#31
I thought it was funny.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#39
the butt plug thing was funnier.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#44
One time I thought I lost mine.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#47
It clearly could have been worse.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#50
Are you proposing some sort of registry?	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#55
No, no	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#58
Looks like Iceland is making their own decision on the matter already.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#16
Now what is there to do in Iceland...	lame54	May 2013	#8
An active mind is never bored. Kids should learn that. But not with porn. nt	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#106
''consenting adults' sexual choices''	Whisp	May 2013	#13
Except, what you're doing there is using an example of non-consent.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#20
"but that might disturb some freedumb speecher/righters"	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	May 2013	#21
sort of reminds me of that freedumb of owning any type of gunz shit.	Whisp	May 2013	#33
Take it up with the "Moral Majority"	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	May 2013	#38
anyone with any morality would condemn what can and does happen in the porn industry.	Whisp	May 2013	#69
Lemme know when someone walks into a mall and kills 20 people with a DVD of "Rocco does Prague"	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#48
Hell, WalMart barely sells R rated movies.	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	May 2013	#53
Walmart and Iceland. Thinking of the children (nt)	Nye Bevan	May 2013	#62
Good point. Walmart sells semi-automatics but refuses to sell Playboy.	Nye Bevan	May 2013	#59
just saying The Defenders sound very much alike. n/t	Whisp	May 2013	#71
And you would hear the same arguments from people in Texas arguing against their anti-sodomy laws.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#74
"I'll give you my porn when you pry (or take) it from my cold, wet hands"	Whisp	May 2013	#75
Right, or my right to love/marry someone of the same gender. Or speak out against the government.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#76
sure, same difference all those things you are nonsensing about.	Whisp	May 2013	#78
Unlike the clear and obvious connection between a picture of a naked woman and an AK-47.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#79
I'm not talking about just a pic of a naked woman.	Whisp	May 2013	#85
Well then you come up with some ironclad non-Burgeresque definition of "porn"	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#111
The similarities between fanatic gunners and porners are astoundingly similar.	Whisp	May 2013	#163
Wow, you are all over the map, here.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#165
The question of what exactly is porn?	Whisp	May 2013	#166
So how precisely does one define "degrading"?	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#168
ok, I'll collect a pint of bull semen	Whisp	May 2013	#172
I'm saying that if you want to create some standard for "degrading" that isn't Potter Stewart's	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#174
Seriously???? Bull semen???	opiate69	May 2013	#175
haha. sorry for that.	Whisp	May 2013	#176
Im reminded of Pickles's joke about the horse.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#180
Negative freedoms are easy, positive freedoms are hard.	Donald Ian Rankin	May 2013	#64
Nice strawman there.	Apophis	May 2013	#118
That's not porn, that's snuff. nt	sibelian	May 2013	#160
So Iceland will ban ebook downloads of "50 Shades of Grey"? (nt)	Nye Bevan	May 2013	#18
Interesting.	redqueen	May 2013	#27
There are things on the internet and in life far far worse than porn. n/t	RKP5637	May 2013	#35
Here we see what really interests people	BainsBane	May 2013	#43
While this gets even LESS attention:	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#54
Okay, but I don't see the connection	BainsBane	May 2013	#60
A "clear" connection is disputable. But I think everyone here would agree that human trafficking	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#65
church goes are major consumers of porn	BainsBane	May 2013	#68
Of course church goers are. So is everyone else.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#72
There are certainly cases of child porn	BainsBane	May 2013	#82
Sure, and that's ALREADY very, very illegal.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#99
porn is disseminated on the web now	BainsBane	May 2013	#113
And porn isn't monolithic. But again, those are arguments for a healthy domestic porn industry.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#124
source	BainsBane	May 2013	#83
We agree that human trafficking and poverty are both terrible, and should be fought vigorously.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#96
What you are refusing to understand	BainsBane	May 2013	#101
I'm not "refusing to understand", I disagree.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#108
You aren't acknowledging the evidence	BainsBane	May 2013	#117
More than anything, those are arguments for a healthy, vibrant, successful domestic porn industry.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#123
A well regulated industry would be a step forward, for sure	BainsBane	May 2013	#153
Fair enough. But it might be worth going past the propaganda to see the regulations already in place	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#157
related to those awful facebook vids and pics and confessions. the young are marinated in this shit	Whisp	May 2013	#73
the "young are acting like shitty animals"? Really? Is that why violent crime is down?	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#77
I saw an interesting documentary	BainsBane	May 2013	#81
omg, what do they have done?	Whisp	May 2013	#86
reduce	BainsBane	May 2013	#89
no! I'm not looking.	Whisp	May 2013	#93
Here is a review of the documentary	BainsBane	May 2013	#115
I also don't believe these hyperbolic examples are indicative of wide trends.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#109
there was like a 70% increase	BainsBane	May 2013	#114
I still don't buy the "culture in crisis" narrative. What are the exact numbers?	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#126
Do a google search for yourself.	BainsBane	May 2013	#152
Is Sexy Baby the one where the woman was having labiaplasty because of something her boyfriend said?	redqueen	May 2013	#135
Couldn't the same argument be made for ANY cosmetic plastic surgery? ...	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#142
Cosmetic surgery in general has increased, yes	BainsBane	May 2013	#155
There are two numbers, the rate of increase and the number of procedures period.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#158
This woman didn't have a boyfriend	BainsBane	May 2013	#154
People are capable of having more than one concern in life.nt	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#107
PORN THREAD!	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#45
Is that your name sake?	BainsBane	May 2013	#90
Indeed.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#94
A reputation as a crusty aristocrat isn't so bad	BainsBane	May 2013	#98
My will? My will? Shit, I'm not even sick.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#100
If the focus is on filtering the most extreme, violent material then perhaps this isn't a bad thing.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#57
Reading this thread, the line between reasonable people and fanatic jerks looks very clear indeed.	2ndAmForComputers	May 2013	#63
It's the only topic that brings the kids	MattBaggins	May 2013	#179
relegious right masquarding as progeserives	Butcer	May 2013	#84
You're right.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#87
chomsky is a doubious character to say the least	Butcer	May 2013	#91
Quotes and citations please.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#92
Well, the Faurisson thing is certainly ironic, given the topic at hand.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#132
Does anyone literally want to censor "every single sexy naked woman"?	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#136
Iceland's not doing anything, yet-And the folks who proposed it immediately got drubbed at the polls	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#137
I agree that it's subjective. And I certainly agree that the MacKinnon approach, philosophically,	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#138
And I agree.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#140
No doubt. The VU were one of my entry points (at about 18/19 - I'm 28 now) to the more far-out	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#143
That's because you have taste.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#145
Judging by 'Rock'n'Roll Animal' I'm sure he could put on a hell of a show in his day.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#146
Never been there, at least not that I recall.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#147
It's really not quite that simple...	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#88
Exactly.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#97
Parents have the right to have their children protected from porn, if they choose.	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#110
I'm not even thinking of sex/nudity per se, myself. I think we Americans tend to be a little uptight	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#116
Welcome to DU my friend!	hrmjustin	May 2013	#95
Hello Butcer	In_The_Wind	May 2013	#121
If people don't like porn, they shouldn't go to those sites.	Apophis	May 2013	#119
but.... but..... the CHILDREN! (nt)	Nye Bevan	May 2013	#122
Mostly I agree, from a legal standpoint at least.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#125
If people aren't aware of it, it means they're not consuming it.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#127
I guess because those who consume it are, to a certain extent, the only ones aware of it.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#131
Still, people like what they like. Even if censorship were a good idea, it's not feasable.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#133
Of course. I think you and I agree far more, in the end, than we disagree.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#134
"..material easily accessible from "mainstream" sites is enough to freak out even somebody like me,	redqueen	May 2013	#139
I'm pretty desensitized, but not (I'd like to think) to real-life suffering.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#150
Censorship is wrong. Good that Iceland ousted their insane government	LittleBlue	May 2013	#141
I dont agree with censorship	marions ghost	May 2013	#149
Ice cold showers all around	Blue Owl	May 2013	#151
Big fat waste of time and resources	Bradical79	May 2013	#159
To be blunt, banning porn is a dumb idea by foolish people who don't know how the internet works.	Kurska	May 2013	#161
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Iceland's proposed law wasn't a blanket porn ban.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#162
Changing the criteria for what porn they want to ban doesn't at all make it any more possible	Kurska	May 2013	#164
It's the thought that counts.	dairydog91	May 2013	#167
The push for Gender Equality in Iceland	LongTomH	May 2013	#169
Ah. More laws are the solution! Of course.	DeSwiss	May 2013	#170
What is actually going on in Iceland	FrodosPet	May 2013	#171
I've got a better idea. Why don't they just enforce their laws against porn like we do?	KamaAina	May 2013	#173
Because they're talking about material containing adults.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#182
Ban porn, force people into 2 years of mandatory labor, and sanitize the English language...	Pragdem	May 2013	#177
Why is there this unusual belief that regulating porn	MattBaggins	May 2013	#178
Because if consenting adults fuck in front of a camera and other consenting adults watch it	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#181
If you make videos of cars being repaired	MattBaggins	May 2013	#183
Well then I guess you've made a compelling case, there, for censoring porn.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#184

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