There are two numbers, the rate of increase and the number of procedures period. (Reply #158)

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Mon May 27, 2013, 12:57 AM

158. There are two numbers, the rate of increase and the number of procedures period.

Ive seen an assertion about the first one, nothing on the second.

I would also add that if insecurity around the physical characteristics of one's genitalia is an indicator of oppressed status or otherwise a reflection of negative social messaging, men have been apparently subjected to scads of both for a VERY long time, given the popularity - far predating the internet and spam, even, hard as it may be to believe- of all manner of "male enhancement" penis enlargement potions, pills, pumps, stretchers, creepy devices and certainly surgeries.

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Iceland campaigns to restrict internet porn [View all]	alp227	May 2013	OP
There is a simple solution to internet porn access.	SomethingFishy	May 2013	#1
White-listing is much easier and much more effective than black-listing.	redgreenandblue	May 2013	#2
Works for me...	SomethingFishy	May 2013	#4
The problem is getting everyone, worldwide, to follow the rules.	redgreenandblue	May 2013	#15
The internet views censorship as a routing problem.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#67
I don't like that because kids actually should have access to anything non-porn, like	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#102
Who will pay the costs of moving all the porn sites to .xxx?	jmowreader	May 2013	#6
Would it be that expensive? What if we don't change the www domain	SomethingFishy	May 2013	#7
It would be far more expensive than you think	jmowreader	May 2013	#120
How would you enforce that?	Cairycat	May 2013	#9
That IS a low cost, effective way of limiting access to adults who intend to access those sites.	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#104
That's probably one of the things they're going to take a look at. You should pardon the pun.nt	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#103
They're not going to look at it at all, because the genuises who proposed this immediately lost	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#129
"it's not the government's responsibility to regulate consenting adults' sexual choices."	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#3
No it's not, but making it easier for parents to block porn sites	SomethingFishy	May 2013	#5
No one is taking away your porn.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#10
?? I didn't say they were.	SomethingFishy	May 2013	#11
That persons passive aggressive accusation against you is great isn't it?	stevenleser	May 2013	#23
FREEEEDUMB YOUUUU JUST R SKEERED THEYRE TAKING YER PORN	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#28
If there's one truism in this age of electronic media: there's no shortage of ways to get porn.	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#105
It's a wonder anyone does anything BUT masturbate, actually.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#128
Its not your responsibility to tell anyone else what they care about. nt	stevenleser	May 2013	#12
I haven't done that in the slightest.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#14
Yes you did. Just like those people who said we could not defend women against Sharia.	stevenleser	May 2013	#17
Give me a break.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#19
I don't care what you think. You are not going to shut me up on free speech or women's rights	stevenleser	May 2013	#22
No one is trying to shut you up.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#24
That is exactly what you were doing with the passive aggressive accusations against me and the other	stevenleser	May 2013	#26
Are you one of those people....	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#37
Nope. But your nasty ad-hominem tactic is exactly that. An attempt to shame into silence	stevenleser	May 2013	#41
No, you just tried to end any discourse with sex shaming	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	May 2013	#42
Victim complex much?	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#46
Proudtobeblue obviously got the same impression. nt	stevenleser	May 2013	#49
I agree	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	May 2013	#51
You are ignoring, perhaps, the psychological harm done by the exploitive pornographers ...	Sekhmets Daughter	May 2013	#130
Some of that was definitely at least borderline homophobic	stevenleser	May 2013	#52
Homophobic?	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#56
That would be a first. I've never met an LGBT person into sex shaming before. I guess its possible.	stevenleser	May 2013	#61
Uh huh	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#66
A CIO friend said that people show their true colors when posting anonymously on the internet.	stevenleser	May 2013	#70
Indeed.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#80
I totally believe you!!!	Iggo	May 2013	#144
You sound bitter, that we don't have a sex police here.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#25
Wrong.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#32
I think someone just stole your login and password. There is no ad-hominem in this post...	stevenleser	May 2013	#34
Like I said, it sounds like they already are. The people who proposed it got walloped at the polls.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#36
+++	Whisp	May 2013	#148
!!!!	redqueen	May 2013	#29
Why am I not surprised that ad-hominem attacks are celebrated by you? nt	stevenleser	May 2013	#30
OBAMMER AINT GERNER TAKE MAH BUTT PLUG NO SIR	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#40
But you can't talk about the struggles of females under brutal theocratic regimes	LadyHawkAZ	May 2013	#112
don't worry	BainsBane	May 2013	#156
"Carry on, but don't blame me if you go blind."	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	May 2013	#31
I thought it was funny.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#39
the butt plug thing was funnier.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#44
One time I thought I lost mine.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#47
It clearly could have been worse.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#50
Are you proposing some sort of registry?	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#55
No, no	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#58
Looks like Iceland is making their own decision on the matter already.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#16
Now what is there to do in Iceland...	lame54	May 2013	#8
An active mind is never bored. Kids should learn that. But not with porn. nt	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#106
''consenting adults' sexual choices''	Whisp	May 2013	#13
Except, what you're doing there is using an example of non-consent.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#20
"but that might disturb some freedumb speecher/righters"	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	May 2013	#21
sort of reminds me of that freedumb of owning any type of gunz shit.	Whisp	May 2013	#33
Take it up with the "Moral Majority"	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	May 2013	#38
anyone with any morality would condemn what can and does happen in the porn industry.	Whisp	May 2013	#69
Lemme know when someone walks into a mall and kills 20 people with a DVD of "Rocco does Prague"	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#48
Hell, WalMart barely sells R rated movies.	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	May 2013	#53
Walmart and Iceland. Thinking of the children (nt)	Nye Bevan	May 2013	#62
Good point. Walmart sells semi-automatics but refuses to sell Playboy.	Nye Bevan	May 2013	#59
just saying The Defenders sound very much alike. n/t	Whisp	May 2013	#71
And you would hear the same arguments from people in Texas arguing against their anti-sodomy laws.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#74
"I'll give you my porn when you pry (or take) it from my cold, wet hands"	Whisp	May 2013	#75
Right, or my right to love/marry someone of the same gender. Or speak out against the government.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#76
sure, same difference all those things you are nonsensing about.	Whisp	May 2013	#78
Unlike the clear and obvious connection between a picture of a naked woman and an AK-47.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#79
I'm not talking about just a pic of a naked woman.	Whisp	May 2013	#85
Well then you come up with some ironclad non-Burgeresque definition of "porn"	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#111
The similarities between fanatic gunners and porners are astoundingly similar.	Whisp	May 2013	#163
Wow, you are all over the map, here.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#165
The question of what exactly is porn?	Whisp	May 2013	#166
So how precisely does one define "degrading"?	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#168
ok, I'll collect a pint of bull semen	Whisp	May 2013	#172
I'm saying that if you want to create some standard for "degrading" that isn't Potter Stewart's	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#174
Seriously???? Bull semen???	opiate69	May 2013	#175
haha. sorry for that.	Whisp	May 2013	#176
Im reminded of Pickles's joke about the horse.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#180
Negative freedoms are easy, positive freedoms are hard.	Donald Ian Rankin	May 2013	#64
Nice strawman there.	Apophis	May 2013	#118
That's not porn, that's snuff. nt	sibelian	May 2013	#160
So Iceland will ban ebook downloads of "50 Shades of Grey"? (nt)	Nye Bevan	May 2013	#18
Interesting.	redqueen	May 2013	#27
There are things on the internet and in life far far worse than porn. n/t	RKP5637	May 2013	#35
Here we see what really interests people	BainsBane	May 2013	#43
While this gets even LESS attention:	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#54
Okay, but I don't see the connection	BainsBane	May 2013	#60
A "clear" connection is disputable. But I think everyone here would agree that human trafficking	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#65
church goes are major consumers of porn	BainsBane	May 2013	#68
Of course church goers are. So is everyone else.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#72
There are certainly cases of child porn	BainsBane	May 2013	#82
Sure, and that's ALREADY very, very illegal.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#99
porn is disseminated on the web now	BainsBane	May 2013	#113
And porn isn't monolithic. But again, those are arguments for a healthy domestic porn industry.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#124
source	BainsBane	May 2013	#83
We agree that human trafficking and poverty are both terrible, and should be fought vigorously.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#96
What you are refusing to understand	BainsBane	May 2013	#101
I'm not "refusing to understand", I disagree.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#108
You aren't acknowledging the evidence	BainsBane	May 2013	#117
More than anything, those are arguments for a healthy, vibrant, successful domestic porn industry.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#123
A well regulated industry would be a step forward, for sure	BainsBane	May 2013	#153
Fair enough. But it might be worth going past the propaganda to see the regulations already in place	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#157
related to those awful facebook vids and pics and confessions. the young are marinated in this shit	Whisp	May 2013	#73
the "young are acting like shitty animals"? Really? Is that why violent crime is down?	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#77
I saw an interesting documentary	BainsBane	May 2013	#81
omg, what do they have done?	Whisp	May 2013	#86
reduce	BainsBane	May 2013	#89
no! I'm not looking.	Whisp	May 2013	#93
Here is a review of the documentary	BainsBane	May 2013	#115
I also don't believe these hyperbolic examples are indicative of wide trends.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#109
there was like a 70% increase	BainsBane	May 2013	#114
I still don't buy the "culture in crisis" narrative. What are the exact numbers?	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#126
Do a google search for yourself.	BainsBane	May 2013	#152
Is Sexy Baby the one where the woman was having labiaplasty because of something her boyfriend said?	redqueen	May 2013	#135
Couldn't the same argument be made for ANY cosmetic plastic surgery? ...	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#142
Cosmetic surgery in general has increased, yes	BainsBane	May 2013	#155
There are two numbers, the rate of increase and the number of procedures period.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#158
This woman didn't have a boyfriend	BainsBane	May 2013	#154
People are capable of having more than one concern in life.nt	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#107
PORN THREAD!	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#45
Is that your name sake?	BainsBane	May 2013	#90
Indeed.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#94
A reputation as a crusty aristocrat isn't so bad	BainsBane	May 2013	#98
My will? My will? Shit, I'm not even sick.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#100
If the focus is on filtering the most extreme, violent material then perhaps this isn't a bad thing.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#57
Reading this thread, the line between reasonable people and fanatic jerks looks very clear indeed.	2ndAmForComputers	May 2013	#63
It's the only topic that brings the kids	MattBaggins	May 2013	#179
relegious right masquarding as progeserives	Butcer	May 2013	#84
You're right.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#87
chomsky is a doubious character to say the least	Butcer	May 2013	#91
Quotes and citations please.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#92
Well, the Faurisson thing is certainly ironic, given the topic at hand.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#132
Does anyone literally want to censor "every single sexy naked woman"?	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#136
Iceland's not doing anything, yet-And the folks who proposed it immediately got drubbed at the polls	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#137
I agree that it's subjective. And I certainly agree that the MacKinnon approach, philosophically,	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#138
And I agree.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#140
No doubt. The VU were one of my entry points (at about 18/19 - I'm 28 now) to the more far-out	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#143
That's because you have taste.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#145
Judging by 'Rock'n'Roll Animal' I'm sure he could put on a hell of a show in his day.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#146
Never been there, at least not that I recall.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#147
It's really not quite that simple...	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#88
Exactly.	ForgoTheConsequence	May 2013	#97
Parents have the right to have their children protected from porn, if they choose.	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#110
I'm not even thinking of sex/nudity per se, myself. I think we Americans tend to be a little uptight	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#116
Welcome to DU my friend!	hrmjustin	May 2013	#95
Hello Butcer	In_The_Wind	May 2013	#121
If people don't like porn, they shouldn't go to those sites.	Apophis	May 2013	#119
but.... but..... the CHILDREN! (nt)	Nye Bevan	May 2013	#122
Mostly I agree, from a legal standpoint at least.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#125
If people aren't aware of it, it means they're not consuming it.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#127
I guess because those who consume it are, to a certain extent, the only ones aware of it.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#131
Still, people like what they like. Even if censorship were a good idea, it's not feasable.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#133
Of course. I think you and I agree far more, in the end, than we disagree.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#134
"..material easily accessible from "mainstream" sites is enough to freak out even somebody like me,	redqueen	May 2013	#139
I'm pretty desensitized, but not (I'd like to think) to real-life suffering.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#150
Censorship is wrong. Good that Iceland ousted their insane government	LittleBlue	May 2013	#141
I dont agree with censorship	marions ghost	May 2013	#149
Ice cold showers all around	Blue Owl	May 2013	#151
Big fat waste of time and resources	Bradical79	May 2013	#159
To be blunt, banning porn is a dumb idea by foolish people who don't know how the internet works.	Kurska	May 2013	#161
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Iceland's proposed law wasn't a blanket porn ban.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#162
Changing the criteria for what porn they want to ban doesn't at all make it any more possible	Kurska	May 2013	#164
It's the thought that counts.	dairydog91	May 2013	#167
The push for Gender Equality in Iceland	LongTomH	May 2013	#169
Ah. More laws are the solution! Of course.	DeSwiss	May 2013	#170
What is actually going on in Iceland	FrodosPet	May 2013	#171
I've got a better idea. Why don't they just enforce their laws against porn like we do?	KamaAina	May 2013	#173
Because they're talking about material containing adults.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#182
Ban porn, force people into 2 years of mandatory labor, and sanitize the English language...	Pragdem	May 2013	#177
Why is there this unusual belief that regulating porn	MattBaggins	May 2013	#178
Because if consenting adults fuck in front of a camera and other consenting adults watch it	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#181
If you make videos of cars being repaired	MattBaggins	May 2013	#183
Well then I guess you've made a compelling case, there, for censoring porn.	Warren DeMontague	May 2013	#184

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