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Pelican

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42. What was the last big thing...

Mon May 27, 2013, 04:10 AM

May 2013

... that got done with no leadership, en masse?

An untold number of things got done with leadership hierarchy... yesterday.

What's the comparison as to why the zombie method is not only equal to leadership but superior?

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Why would anybody who isn't a right-wing greedhead WANT OWS gone? [View all] Ken Burch May 2013 OP

Because OWS might discomfit you-know-who MotherPetrie May 2013 #1

call the white house and find out :-) nt msongs May 2013 #2

OWS is an energy sink that isn't set up to accomplish anything. dkf May 2013 #3

What do "leaders" ever do on the Left, other than to make the Left LESS Left? Ken Burch May 2013 #5

Who cares about labels like "left" and "right". Try showing us something that works. dkf May 2013 #7

Fine...models and proposals are needed Ken Burch May 2013 #89

I think you are a bit idealistic if you think individuals wouldn't rather win the lottery. dkf May 2013 #91

You're assuming that the ONLY way to have "an innovative and productive society" Ken Burch May 2013 #97

Well the Asians aren't going to stop what they are doing to become one common entity with you. dkf May 2013 #98

Problem is, your approach means it will be impossible Ken Burch May 2013 #99

So many right wing talking points in one comment. I think you should read some sabrina 1 May 2013 #9

Exciting time? For OWS? Really? dkf May 2013 #35

Very exciting. This weekend, all over the world. Most exciting is that it is probably the first sabrina 1 May 2013 #63

Do we really want to put all of the eggs into one basket?....... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #64

OWS is only a small part of the movement. It's time to choose sides. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #109

exactly this! well said, Sabrina! bettyellen May 2013 #83

Interestingly it's the right wing and corporatists that hate Occupy. They hate freedom. rhett o rick May 2013 #16

The comfortable left. zeemike May 2013 #31

It's the left that is fighting for change. It's the left that is fighting for single payer. rhett o rick May 2013 #58

Lets see the Mainstream democrats change the national discussion as quickly as OWS! BillyRibs May 2013 #24

+++ marions ghost May 2013 #60

they *are* doing 'civic projects". not that civic projects are anything but bandaids HiPointDem May 2013 #27

Our local occupiers just sit there with their eyesore tents. dkf May 2013 #37

where is that? HiPointDem May 2013 #38

It's their fault that they are perceived as the picture above... Pelican May 2013 #40

'pushed to the side' = suppressed by the obama admin in concert with local gov'ts. HiPointDem May 2013 #41

Ummm... That's kind of the point... Pelican May 2013 #54

sure they didn't. HiPointDem May 2013 #87

Honolulu...and we have great weather so they never left. Honestly it looks like a homeless set up. dkf May 2013 #43

You live in Hawaii? Can I come occupy your living room? It's cold in NY. Inkfreak May 2013 #55

Does not speak well of Honolulu. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #68

Visibility marions ghost May 2013 #59

Are you a member of the GOML party? L0oniX May 2013 #94

Thanks for posting about APEC and Occupy together. Searched on both and saw APEC was Occupied. suffragette Jun 2013 #117

There Is An Alternative - Go Watch And Read Richard Wolff cantbeserious May 2013 #49

Or read some Trotsky........ socialist_n_TN May 2013 #65

Trotsky essentially became a counter-revolutionary when he crushed the Krondstadt rebels in 1921 Ken Burch Jun 2013 #108

"At least they could have done civic projects. " Your disinformation campaign is pathetic... Scuba May 2013 #52

....too full of their lack of leadership .... MADem May 2013 #57

good analysis arely staircase May 2013 #77

They haven't accomplished anything and their lack of a heirachy makes it difficult craigmatic May 2013 #4

All hierarchs ever do is to say "we can't DO that". Ken Burch May 2013 #6

Why do we always feel this need for a hierarchy? It is not necessary to get anything done AllyCat May 2013 #22

What was the last big thing... Pelican May 2013 #42

It has to be a "big" thing to be something? AllyCat May 2013 #73

Better the highs and lows of success and failure... Pelican May 2013 #75

"They haven't accomplished anything" G_j May 2013 #30

tru e Niceguy1 May 2013 #34

You ought to pay more attention if you don't want to look like a fool magellan May 2013 #44

Theor? HangOnKids May 2013 #45

Well, a gunner doesn't like OWS Kingofalldems May 2013 #70

first of all I'm not a gunner Niceguy1 May 2013 #86

Blind or just poorly informed? Scuba May 2013 #53

What you smugly call 'nothing'- Occupy Medical What free universal health care looks like Bluenorthwest May 2013 #71

And yet they are making a difference. They arent the whole movement. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #110

How Quickly We Forget! moonbeam23 May 2013 #8

hear, hear. AllyCat May 2013 #23

ditto marions ghost May 2013 #61

+1 HiPointDem May 2013 #29

+1 Guess who's side the anti OWS crowd is on. Oh ...no guess work required. L0oniX May 2013 #79

some people always seem to assume a "want" hfojvt May 2013 #10

I am glad that OWS stepped up, but there was a huge lack of focus! Dustlawyer May 2013 #11

See-there's one right here on your thread... catnhatnh May 2013 #12

That's a great thread about Ben's Occupy work pinboy3niner May 2013 #20

Thanks Pinboy... catnhatnh May 2013 #32

How soon we forget.... ReRe May 2013 #25

Because they kind of make the hometeam look bad. Marr May 2013 #13

Lets see... Pelican May 2013 #14

Gee Pelican HangOnKids May 2013 #46

The "respectable" don't make change anymore. Ken Burch Jun 2013 #106

OWS is anti-hierarchical and doesn't believe the system can be reformed starroute May 2013 #15

We need to elect people who represent OWS and stop electing people who only represent greed. Initech May 2013 #17

Seeing as the physical manifestation of Occupy was vagrant encampments with wifi... Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2013 #18

Funny that you saw the wifi as self-indulgent... catnhatnh May 2013 #33

I don't think it was self-indulgent, it is just that in the absense of a drum circle... Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2013 #36

Charlatans and drum circle HangOnKids May 2013 #47

What you smugly call 'nothing'- Occupy Medical What free universal health care looks like Bluenorthwest May 2013 #72

Before they came along, opposition to the Right had pretty much died out. Ken Burch May 2013 #100

And you define "the right" to be what exactly? Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2013 #103

Chill, Senator. I wasn't saying Obama was PART of the Right. Ken Burch Jun 2013 #105

Why don't they all just take a bath, cut their hair and get a job, right? n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #51

I think that is pretty offensive Marrah_G May 2013 #66

So you agree with the conservatives? Time to choose sides. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #111

So it is a binary decision? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #118

Your display of brotherly love, of the equality and equal rights for all mankind, is noted. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author Raine May 2013 #19

In Oakland, they are called the Lake Merritt/Uptown District Association. Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #21

It threatened political as usual. And it wasn't controlled by the Democratic Party. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #26

Contrary to the views of a FEW here on DU... ReRe May 2013 #28

Me too. But I think that there are more than a few business suit Dems here. byeya May 2013 #78

Yeah... ReRe May 2013 #81

I've learned more in a bi-weekly Occupy reading group Ron Green May 2013 #39

can i ask what area of the country you're in? HiPointDem May 2013 #48

Western Oregon. Ron Green May 2013 #69

thanks. HiPointDem May 2013 #85

Salem, maybe? Portland or Eugene? Ken Burch May 2013 #102

Between Salem and Eugene. Ron Green Jun 2013 #104

Reading this thread is like a trip in the way-back machine and hearing "dirty fucking hippies" Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #50

It's also like the Democratic Party "pros" who STILL hate the Left Ken Burch May 2013 #90

Words matter. So do names. 'Occupy Wall Street' is a meaningless name. randome May 2013 #56

"Occupy" is fine marions ghost May 2013 #62

Your determination to find something, anything to use to disparage OWS is admirable. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #113

i didn't know they were still around arely staircase May 2013 #67

Absolutely. And so is the 470X income inequality chasm which "our" politicians will not even mention Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #114

All of the message it is capable of has already been received. gulliver May 2013 #74

I don't want it gone, but people MUST stop idolizing it; that's BAD for OWS and it isn't the patrice May 2013 #76

OK, don't idolize it...but don't disown it either. Ken Burch May 2013 #101

OWS tends to piss off the assholes. n/t L0oniX May 2013 #80

It really pisses off the far Right and The Third Way, which is probably the same thing. sabrina 1 May 2013 #92

I believe the main reason the occupy movement is leaderless... Blanks May 2013 #82

Because they are "centrist" greedheads... 99Forever May 2013 #84

Intimidation by police felix_numinous May 2013 #88

It's pretty easy to spot people with a vested interest against OWS. They are invested in WS. nt raouldukelives May 2013 #93

Yep. Earth_First Jun 2013 #107

I admire OWS for a lot of the charitable work they've done... Pragdem May 2013 #95

So you are a pragmatic Democrat? Does that mean that you dont like poverty but you will accept it? rhett o rick Jun 2013 #112

Kick. Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #96

OWS was/is a major threat to the annointed "Liberal" leadership as well...... marmar Jun 2013 #116