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Mon May 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

May 2013

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The Real Numbers: Half of America in Poverty -- and It's Creeping toward 75% [View all] xchrom May 2013 OP

People won't believe this. Democracyinkind May 2013 #1

and they shouldn't - because it is really stupid hfojvt May 2013 #30

Plus, it mixes "average Americans" with "families". dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #32

There's a ton of singles that make up households flamingdem May 2013 #48

Nice try Uzair May 2013 #55

yeah whatever hfojvt May 2013 #60

Then you might want to delete or edit Uzair May 2013 #62

you defend a crap article and you think I should be embarrassed? hfojvt May 2013 #72

that the average skews low = those making little overwhelm those making more. HiPointDem May 2013 #61

if 50% of families in Mississippi are making over $56,000 hfojvt May 2013 #73

most people don't live in 4 person families, and the median for single-income 4 person HiPointDem May 2013 #98

but even fewer people live in single-income 4 person families hfojvt May 2013 #100

Median net compensation in the US = $27K, we have close to 8% unemployment & HiPointDem May 2013 #116

my parents don't participate in the labor force hfojvt May 2013 #117

labor force participation by age group, historical. HiPointDem May 2013 #123

still determined to embrace the stupidity hfojvt May 2013 #124

i don't think you know what you're talking about, in 1890 the gov't didn't keep 'labor HiPointDem May 2013 #125

at no point did I ever claim I was poor in this thread hfojvt May 2013 #128

yes, & my neighborhood, where half the residents are on assistance or have no visible HiPointDem May 2013 #130

you might as well argue that 100% of the population is near dead hfojvt May 2013 #132

if you're a couple of paychecks away from assistance, you're poor. HiPointDem May 2013 #134

On average JNelson6563 May 2013 #96

it gets worse though hfojvt May 2013 #33

If you have debt beyond the mortgage (affordable) and, occasionally, ONE car, SoCalDem May 2013 #2

+1 xchrom May 2013 #3

+2 nt Live and Learn May 2013 #4

+++ marions ghost May 2013 #20

Agreed, but have you considered that you have accepted a mortgage as simply a normal state? Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #78

mortgage/rent? one has to live somewhere SoCalDem May 2013 #88

Let's see, I have a mortgage. SheilaT May 2013 #80

micro v macro SoCalDem May 2013 #89

I was responding to post #2, which said if you have a mortgage and any other debt SheilaT May 2013 #110

Well said, many walk the edge of a cliff to poverty, and many RKP5637 May 2013 #102

Yes, ridiculous model for us, working out well for the 1%. closeupready May 2013 #120

Coincidentally (?) dotymed May 2013 #5

Absolutely spot on. nt tomg May 2013 #6

Nailed it. ctsnowman May 2013 #8

"Most already proven to work and indicative of 1st world countries." CrispyQ May 2013 #9

Yes on all counts. lunatica May 2013 #12

+100000.....And yet, what is actually being done? woo me with science May 2013 #36

You got it Woo. dotymed May 2013 #115

Amen to that! nt raouldukelives May 2013 #74

and the "degenerative gamblers" are still free to do what they do Corruption Inc May 2013 #82

To me the #1 item on the agenda is campaign finance/lobbyist reform. Arugula Latte May 2013 #106

beat me to it noiretextatique May 2013 #114

If Dems in the highest offices weren't Disaster Capitalists, elehhhhna May 2013 #121

absolutely wonderful solutions. sadly, we do not have a govt who will implement them. dionysus Sep 2014 #136

quick! G_j May 2013 #7

Or cherry-pick more economic data ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #11

If they own a TV, computer or cell phone they can't possibly be poor. Auntie Bush May 2013 #14

Don't forget air conditioning! BuelahWitch May 2013 #57

Don't forget toilets that flush. You ain't poor unless you digging up a hole to poo in *spits* DotGone May 2013 #77

Let's be intellectually honest 2bornot2b May 2013 #10

That's what I was getting at ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #15

you have average and median backwards magical thyme May 2013 #16

then again, people with an average IQ will be reading this article. dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #34

you make a good point... magical thyme May 2013 #35

LOL summer-hazz May 2013 #53

EXACTLY Uzair May 2013 #63

You are not making sense karynnj May 2013 #65

You are not understanding basic statistics Uzair May 2013 #66

Even with this distribution, the average of a group can not be used karynnj May 2013 #69

That's exactly what this distribution implies Uzair May 2013 #71

Indeed. nt woo me with science May 2013 #91

No it doesn't karynnj May 2013 #103

Let's make this very simple. woo me with science May 2013 #90

Let's make this real simple - as someone already did using basic algebra karynnj May 2013 #101

but that line is not true hfojvt May 2013 #111

No they aren't Progressive dog May 2013 #105

I was going to say it looks more like a slippery slope Rex May 2013 #122

Yes, let's Uzair May 2013 #54

Thank you. nt woo me with science May 2013 #76

It seems we never see modes used in reporting income data. Is there a snappyturtle May 2013 #13

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #18

Sometimes a 'picture is worth a thousand words' comes to mind snappyturtle May 2013 #25

How would modes be useful in this case? Android3.14 May 2013 #22

That's exactly what I want to see! Telling me that $19,000, e.g., is the snappyturtle May 2013 #27

See if this gives you what you want Android3.14 May 2013 #38

Thank you . The chart is very interesting. I can clearly see the top and the bottom! snappyturtle May 2013 #42

Great - this link pretty much debunks the op's articles math karynnj May 2013 #107

A slightly more detailed table of individual income - grouped by $2,500 muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #94

THIS is more along the lines of what I've been thinking about! Thank you!! nt snappyturtle May 2013 #112

It slips out occasionally. Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #44

you don't know where to begin looking? hfojvt May 2013 #45

Quintiles are used more often bhikkhu May 2013 #85

Thank you. This is helpful. Now I can see where chunks of the population snappyturtle May 2013 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author karynnj May 2013 #104

Debt creates slavery. caseymoz May 2013 #17

+1 HiPointDem May 2013 #59

K&R marmar May 2013 #19

! xchrom May 2013 #21

The sources for the data are suspicious Android3.14 May 2013 #23

If you include non-wage income, the picture is a lot better FarCenter May 2013 #24

There are the Lords, and there are the Serfs dumbcat May 2013 #26

Which one are you? Skeeter Barnes May 2013 #31

I am most definitely dumbcat May 2013 #37

I don't doubt the numbers but in my world it doesn't look like encroaching poverty. MindPilot May 2013 #28

I simply cannot believe that article. KentuckyWoman May 2013 #29

This is DU! flamingdem May 2013 #47

Sad that Alternet posted this michigandem58 May 2013 #39

Still, you can't deny that 50% of American households have an income below the median. Nye Bevan May 2013 #40

Careful, they may use that as a headline michigandem58 May 2013 #41

Alternet as gone downhill. Quantess May 2013 #43

Sad that you're in denial Uzair May 2013 #56

I'm aware of the wealth distribution issues michigandem58 May 2013 #68

well ah guess we just hafta lower the poverty line! flamingdem May 2013 #46

K&R DeSwiss May 2013 #49

Cassandra is pulling down a sweet payday at FauxSnooze now....yeah? nt MADem May 2013 #87

the real issue is really boomer wealth galileoreloaded May 2013 #50

Is this the country that these men and women are fighting & dying for? Really? YOHABLO May 2013 #51

If Obama only knew, surely he would do something about it AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #52

What we are breeding will be thiefts because there will be no place for people to go get southernyankeebelle May 2013 #58

These numbers are horrifying, but this op's article misuses the information karynnj May 2013 #64

It is bad, but that's a misreading of the data bhikkhu May 2013 #67

This discussion has taking a tack sulphurdunn May 2013 #70

The main asset most households own is their house bhikkhu May 2013 #84

Thanks sulphurdunn May 2013 #131

The claim about assets may be misleading too; are we comparing individuals or households? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #97

It depends how they are computed karynnj May 2013 #109

They calculate both financial and tangible assets muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #113

I honestly blame obama for this and no its not a joke. cstanleytech May 2013 #75

I wish someone would talk about assets and income both. Manifestor_of_Light May 2013 #79

Forward! blkmusclmachine May 2013 #81

There are some really dishonest claims here BlueStreak May 2013 #83

The main asset of the bottom 80% of Americans (per income) are their homes. Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #86

Note: claim 3 has been removed from the linked article in an edit. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #92

Stay in denial. kitt6 May 2013 #93

It is clear that the rich elite capitalists are making a killing fasttense May 2013 #95

Oh silly! It's not THAT bad. Really why are you forcing reality on us? Safetykitten May 2013 #108

Totally can believe this. K&R closeupready May 2013 #118

Somebody tell em that over in dreamland... MrMickeysMom May 2013 #119

It's sad that utter dreck analysis garners over one hundred recs taught_me_patience May 2013 #126

Poverty is real, but those numbers are very deceptive. pnwmom May 2013 #127

If you click on the ProSense May 2013 #129

Are you suggesting that coconuts are migratory? deaniac21 May 2013 #133

How To Lie With Statistics FreeJoe May 2013 #135