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erpowers

(9,350 posts)
57. My Problem With That Amendment
Mon May 27, 2013, 04:12 PM
May 2013

The war by national vote seems to me like one of those ideas that when you first hear about it it sounds good, but then when you think about it it does not sound as good. I realize that if you oppose war, having a situation where it takes a long time to start a war is a good thing. However, having a national vote in order to go to war has its own problems. If there was ever a Pearl Harbor type attack a national election would have to be called. Then the nation would have to pay to have the election. Beyond the cost of the election would be the time it would take in order to schedule an election. Instead of taking days for either Congress to declare war, or for the President to deploy troops we would have to wait at least weeks in order to organize and hold an election. In addition, what would you do with the people who did not vote? Send them to war just to punish them for not voting?

Another problem is personnel. It seems the military has been having enough trouble with people who willingly signed up for the military and then upon being sent to war decided they do not like the military. What would you do with the people who voted for the war, but do not want to fight the war? Yes, you can force those people to join the military, but you cannot force them to do their job, or do their job well. So, you could end up in a situation in which a number of people who are forced to join the military perform poorly in order to be kicked out of the military. At that point the military is faced with a major decision; keep poorly performing people in the military and let them cause problems for the military because they(military leadership) do not want to let those people off the hook, or cut their loses and kick the poor performing people out. So, at least in theory someone could vote for war and still not go to war by performing poorly.

No wonder it didn't make it -- how could war mongers profit?!?!?! gateley May 2013 #1
Wow ismnotwasm May 2013 #2
Americans have never, ever voted for something really stupid or contrary to their best interests. Buzz Clik May 2013 #3
Prohibition? dumbcat May 2013 #16
It wasn't Scootaloo May 2013 #20
Sounds stupid to me dumbcat May 2013 #21
Buzz Clik was being sarcastic siligut May 2013 #40
Thank you for that. dumbcat May 2013 #44
Our RW politicians are being led down the garden path siligut May 2013 #45
It ended the prospect of alcohol as an alternative fuel. Blanks May 2013 #39
" a substance that is - very consistently - the most harmful to human health and social fabric." JayhawkSD May 2013 #41
And yet it still causes more harm than any other substance Scootaloo May 2013 #49
Disregard actual statistics JayhawkSD May 2013 #67
Reminds me of today's war on drugs. gtar100 May 2013 #46
It was cultural genocide NutmegYankee May 2013 #48
true but Chaco Dundee May 2013 #50
Very nice... zeos3 May 2013 #59
1971: American citizens should have the alienable right to an environment free of pollution. arcane1 May 2013 #4
I think inalienable rights are better .... oldhippie May 2013 #17
Indeed. I wonder if that was how it was written in the original attempt arcane1 May 2013 #22
Sounds good in theory loyalsister May 2013 #27
Including world war 2, which would mean I wouldn't be here, so no thanks. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #5
A lot of men signed up after Pearl Harbor Politicalboi May 2013 #8
John Wayne didn't. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #51
I would gladly volunteer to not be here if it meant the end of war. BrotherIvan May 2013 #31
'I wouldn't be here" how can u know that? leftyohiolib May 2013 #42
I'm Jewish, and live in Europe. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #47
Excellent point! Pterodactyl May 2013 #54
well if the 2 people that comprise your parents didnt meet that doesnt mean you wouldnt be here leftyohiolib May 2013 #55
Perhaps a better solution would be to put me in charge of wars. SheilaT May 2013 #6
Where are you?... awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #9
I'm in Santa Fe. SheilaT May 2013 #13
Oh, I know that feeling all too well! kentauros May 2013 #33
You too? Manifestor_of_Light May 2013 #52
Then let me be the first to nominate you to be in charge of all wars! Kath1 May 2013 #36
I love that amendment about putting war to a national vote. Initech May 2013 #7
A National vote would be interesting, as I don't believe we ever had one ..... oldhippie May 2013 #19
Wouldn't the Federal Election Commission do that? dumbcat May 2013 #23
Nope ....... oldhippie May 2013 #24
There is no such thing as a "national" election hack89 May 2013 #56
I like this one BobbyBoring May 2013 #10
They can't all be gems... zeos3 May 2013 #58
2013 is still a good sulphurdunn May 2013 #11
Let's even bump it up zeos3 May 2013 #60
That would be about $18 million sulphurdunn May 2013 #66
Do keep in mind we voted in GW Bush two times. Buzz Clik May 2013 #12
Actually, he wasn't. RC May 2013 #29
... and we want the same system to start wars. Buzz Clik May 2013 #30
And don't forget, Art_from_Ark May 2013 #32
I hear you. zeos3 May 2013 #61
Very interesting indeed.... Swede Atlanta May 2013 #14
Um...those are constitutional amendments jeff47 May 2013 #28
hmm... chervilant May 2013 #35
The ERA not on the list.. came so close, then the stupid Americans took over. mountain grammy May 2013 #15
peace cure hog May 2013 #18
Great point lovemydog May 2013 #26
Ha, good one! It oughtta be a law! When my son enlisted I did not give my permission mountain grammy May 2013 #37
I support all three of those lovemydog May 2013 #25
Cheers! zeos3 May 2013 #62
The first one would mean the end of the secret ballot. Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #34
Good point. zeos3 May 2013 #64
To paraphrase All Quiet on the Western Front: Nevernose May 2013 #38
Well, they sound good, but... JayhawkSD May 2013 #43
These days it would be an army of 70+. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #53
My Problem With That Amendment erpowers May 2013 #57
Very insightful. zeos3 May 2013 #65
only the dead have seen the end of war arely staircase May 2013 #63
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