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In reply to the discussion: The Real Numbers: Half of America in Poverty -- and It's Creeping toward 75% [View all]FreeJoe
(1,039 posts)135. How To Lie With Statistics
It was a classic book from the 1950s, I think.
That's what I was reminded of when I read this gem:
4. Based on wage figures, 75% of Americans are NEAR poverty.
According to IRS data, the average household in the bottom 75% earns about $31,000 per year. To be eligible for food assistance, a family can earn up to 130% of the federal poverty line, or about $30,000 for a family of four.
Let's look at this for a second. It says that 75% of Americans are NEAR poverty. The meaningful way to support that would be to give the income of households at the 75 percentile of income. Instead, we get a quote about the average income of households in the bottom 75%. In other words, that's the average income of people at roughly the 37.5 percentile (midway to the 75th percentile). When I see deliberately misleading crap like that, I chuckle and tune out.
Now that I look at it, they do the same thing in #3. The average household in the bottom 50% brings in $18,000 a year. That sounds much more dramatic than saying that 25% of American households earn $18,000 or less.
In #1, it says that half of Americans had NO assets in 2009, but it doesn't give us any comparative time frame. Is that an improvement over 1999 or worse? And by how much?
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The Real Numbers: Half of America in Poverty -- and It's Creeping toward 75% [View all]
xchrom
May 2013
OP
that the average skews low = those making little overwhelm those making more.
HiPointDem
May 2013
#61
most people don't live in 4 person families, and the median for single-income 4 person
HiPointDem
May 2013
#98
Median net compensation in the US = $27K, we have close to 8% unemployment &
HiPointDem
May 2013
#116
i don't think you know what you're talking about, in 1890 the gov't didn't keep 'labor
HiPointDem
May 2013
#125
yes, & my neighborhood, where half the residents are on assistance or have no visible
HiPointDem
May 2013
#130
Agreed, but have you considered that you have accepted a mortgage as simply a normal state?
Egalitarian Thug
May 2013
#78
I was responding to post #2, which said if you have a mortgage and any other debt
SheilaT
May 2013
#110
absolutely wonderful solutions. sadly, we do not have a govt who will implement them.
dionysus
Sep 2014
#136
Don't forget toilets that flush. You ain't poor unless you digging up a hole to poo in *spits*
DotGone
May 2013
#77
Thank you . The chart is very interesting. I can clearly see the top and the bottom!
snappyturtle
May 2013
#42
A slightly more detailed table of individual income - grouped by $2,500
muriel_volestrangler
May 2013
#94
THIS is more along the lines of what I've been thinking about! Thank you!! nt
snappyturtle
May 2013
#112
I don't doubt the numbers but in my world it doesn't look like encroaching poverty.
MindPilot
May 2013
#28
Still, you can't deny that 50% of American households have an income below the median.
Nye Bevan
May 2013
#40
What we are breeding will be thiefts because there will be no place for people to go get
southernyankeebelle
May 2013
#58
The claim about assets may be misleading too; are we comparing individuals or households?
muriel_volestrangler
May 2013
#97
The main asset of the bottom 80% of Americans (per income) are their homes.
Fire Walk With Me
May 2013
#86