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Liberal_Stalwart71

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42. I hope I'm wrong. I really do. And I agree with what you've written here. People are angry.
Thu May 30, 2013, 04:21 PM
May 2013

Passions run high and deep. Anger at Obama and Holder has some legitimacy. But when one steps back and considers what has happened on a larger scale, no other president has witnessed this level of hatred and vitrol. Again, let me reiterate that no one should agree with everything a politician does. And some of the concerns people have are legitimate. But again, look at the broader picture and there is this recurring pattern of hate rhetoric from BOTH ends of the spectrum that wasn't there when Bill Clinton deregulated the banking, mortgage and telecommunications industries. This level of hatred and vitrol wasn't there when Clinton implemented welfare reform and NAFTA. Even FDR didn't experience this degree of hatred. Even he had some friends in his own party. And he enjoyed huge majorities in both houses, not to mention some liberal/moderate Republicans. Same thing with LBJ. This president, however, has seen nothing but obstruction and vitrol directed his way since he announced his candidacy on the steps of the state house in Springfield, Illinois. Every since then, the hate continues unabated--from all sides of the political spectrum and from a recalcitrant corporate media that refuses to challenge the obstructionists (read: treason). And many--not all--on the far reaches of the political left seem to blame the president FIRST; I wish they put more energy into defeating Republicans at all levels of government as they do being angry at this president. And every single day, there's a new outrage. There's a new gripe or disconent regarding what the president has or has not done, even when the charge turns out to be unsubstantiated.

I desperately want to be wrong. I really do. But I also believe that the column Melissa Harris-Perry wrote two years ago has some merit. I do believe that Tim Wise was spot on in his assessments of the power structure and how this "newcomer" has been embroiled in it.

I blame Obama himself for being stupid, naieve, or both. He should have known that he could never put into action what he championed in theory. He was wrong about this nation moving forward and getting over its past ills. He was wrong to think that a political party, motivated by power, greed and hatred, would ever work with him, even when the proposals he put forth were agreeable to his detractors. Some of the blame is his and I point the finger squarely at him.

However, my point stands. And I hope its wrong, but seeing everything that I've seen, I haven't come across any evidence yet that proves otherwise.

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I agree madokie May 2013 #1
rec JustAnotherGen May 2013 #2
Agree..n/t monmouth3 May 2013 #3
The hate right here on DU has been astonishing. All day, all night--pure hatred! From Democrats!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #4
My take is Eric Holder is a horrible AG who lets the 1% get away with murder. forestpath May 2013 #5
+1 TheKentuckian May 2013 #7
^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #10
I consider Holder and Obama "workable" meaning if we got the type of congress that moved uponit7771 May 2013 #13
Holder's reasons for not doing his job have zero to do with Congress. forestpath May 2013 #32
+1 KoKo May 2013 #37
We only had a Dem fredamae May 2013 #63
++++++++++++++++I can't rec this enough++++++++++++++++++++ L0oniX May 2013 #17
agree! KoKo May 2013 #38
I was just listening the Senator Bernie Sanders bvar22 May 2013 #18
Replace holder with Sanders? What would we get in Obama admin? tia uponit7771 May 2013 #19
What are you trying to say? bvar22 May 2013 #44
What if the left got everything it wanted in Holder, what would Obama admin be like then? uponit7771 May 2013 #50
I'm sorry, I don't see John2 May 2013 #57
Absolutely, DUers falling for media spin is disheartening siligut May 2013 #6
Calling out fellow DU'ers...are you? KoKo May 2013 #39
Why? Did someone alert on my post? siligut May 2013 #52
I didn't and doubt it was alerted on. Rudeness rules sometimes...it's just KoKo May 2013 #60
More of a forlorn concern, then any sort of trashing siligut May 2013 #62
Psyops can work both ways though.. Have you thought about that? n/t KoKo May 2013 #69
Yes, I think about the actual manipulation siligut May 2013 #71
I don't trust the judgement of the MSM either............ TheDebbieDee May 2013 #8
Think for yourself instead of reacting to the M$M Corruption Inc May 2013 #9
They do for the most part, I'm not wanting 90% or even 70% just workable and he is uponit7771 May 2013 #11
The M$M works for the GOP and they work for the 1%. Rex May 2013 #12
I would like Holder a lot more if he spent more time rhett o rick May 2013 #14
Yes I agree there are a handful of full stops for me in regards to Holder. If the right liked him I uponit7771 May 2013 #16
The way Obama is treated by idiots of all political stripes... Pragdem May 2013 #15
+1000 nt Anansi1171 May 2013 #30
My question is how is Eric Holder chowder66 May 2013 #20
Obama admin overall has been exceptional including DOJ when it comes to operational aspects.... uponit7771 May 2013 #22
Thanks!! Easy to complain behind a keyboard, much harder to govern. Maybe I've lived in DC for Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #25
Thank you for responding…. chowder66 May 2013 #31
This president and his AG have gotten far more scrutiny from the political left than any Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #23
I want to disagree with you on this…. chowder66 May 2013 #35
I hope I'm wrong. I really do. And I agree with what you've written here. People are angry. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #42
I definitely have seen what you are talking about chowder66 May 2013 #45
It's entirely reasonable Maedhros May 2013 #47
Like FDR? I do agree with you somewhat but the scrutiny should be measured uponit7771 May 2013 #48
The intensity of scrutiny Maedhros May 2013 #64
Pro banksters and war criminals on DU???? WTF L0oniX May 2013 #21
My only conclusion is a complete absense of a Moral Compass, bvar22 May 2013 #26
Keep in mind that some of the owners/major stock holders of corprat meadia ane the same people who.. wandy May 2013 #24
The only things Holder is doing right are the things the media criticize him for tularetom May 2013 #27
Isn't that attitude what Gore ran away from?! I mean, people on the left HATED Clinton so much that uponit7771 May 2013 #29
The left never hated Clinton...not like they hate this president. Nothing like it. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #43
Holder knows the ropes. ProSense May 2013 #46
Disagreeing with policy, Maedhros May 2013 #51
Thank you and welcome to DU! nt stillwaiting May 2013 #67
We both agree, but we also both know that hate is not about disagreeing with policy at all times. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #68
I was referring to an earlier post Maedhros May 2013 #72
I wouldn't label John2 May 2013 #61
I agree wholeheartedly. nt Anansi1171 May 2013 #28
The only reason the right hates holder... nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #33
Eric Holder should be shitcanned. limpyhobbler May 2013 #34
Aaron Swartz and Whistle Blowers, too that he went after. n/t KoKo May 2013 #40
Right-Wing Media's Fake Narrative About Rosen Warrant Now Even More Incoherent ProSense May 2013 #36
+1 uponit7771 May 2013 #53
I don't know about Holder. He lets Dick Cheney and George W. Bush walk around free tclambert May 2013 #41
Fuck Eric Holder! Unknown Beatle May 2013 #49
Best way ProSense May 2013 #54
Cute website. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #56
I'm sure ProSense May 2013 #58
You're right. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #59
He may be a spineless plutocrat. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #55
I may be overly sensitive...been known to get overly emotional..but DearAbby May 2013 #65
Telling Eric Holder to investigate his own actions regarding the AP scandal was stupid. Savannahmann May 2013 #66
M$M far behind? They are leading the way! nt kelliekat44 May 2013 #70
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