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krispos42

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41. So then can I count on you to not stop until the US homicide rate is zero?

Sat Jun 1, 2013, 12:25 AM

Jun 2013

And the suicide rate? And the accidental death rate? Medical malpractice death rate? Cancer death rate? Infectious disease rate?

And why don't you care about the non-gun homicides?

I give the author of the article you referenced credit, though... he was only talking about gun-related homicides, not all gun-related deaths, which would be a better comparison to combat losses in Iraq.

It's not your goal I have an issue with, it's the means of achievement. There is a ton of stuff we can do that will lower the homicide rate AND vastly improve the lives of vast swathes of our country, for which we should be (hopefully, if the RW noise machine finally collapses under the weight of its lies) rewarded politically.

The methods commonly advocated for on DU are the slowest and least effective, with minimal side benefits and high political cost.

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Link? Dragonbreathp9d May 2013 #4

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Already covered BainsBane May 2013 #14

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hardly BainsBane May 2013 #29

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So then can I count on you to not stop until the US homicide rate is zero? krispos42 Jun 2013 #41

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we fight em here so we don't have to fight em over there... lame54 Jun 2013 #51

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