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caraher

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56. I think we're a very long way from being in real peril from a slightly weaker military
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 02:45 AM
Jun 2013

What makes us less safe today is the way our wars are generating people who want to kill us. We have such near-absolute dominance in any conventional battlefield that even if our military were to lose some of its edge, it would still be completely insane for any other nation to start a conventional war with us. So I respectfully disagree that what we need "above all" is the finest military possible - we only ever need a military good enough to deter war and to win it should it come. Setting the bar at "finest possible" distorts our values as a nation, leads to inflated spending on weapons and actually makes us weaker. (For the reductio ad absurdum of "finest possible" look at North Korea, where pretty much nothing else beyond the military receives any resources, though obviously their model of military strength is based on sheer weight of numbers rather than quality.)

It's also not clear that a volunteer force is the only or best way to build an elite force; it's just the one the US has chosen. Looking at a very different example, Israel still manages to have a top-notch military despite compulsory service.

What having more people and families with "skin in the game" does do is ratchet up the political stakes dramatically for starting military adventures (see Vietnam). Perhaps Cheney could have stampeded us into war with loose talk of smoking guns in the form of mushroom clouds. But it would have been harder to ignore the mass antiwar protests that preceded the fighting. And the 2004 election may not have been close enough for them to steal in Ohio if more voters had loved ones sitting involuntarily in Iraq for the sake of what by then was clear were lies. It would have been much harder for anyone to shrug their shoulders as they did and say sure, Bush lied, but at least nobody went there who didn't volunteer.

A very good analogy... kentuck Jun 2013 #1
Maher is brave. roody Jun 2013 #2
Why? Pelican Jun 2013 #5
Chemtrails Major Nikon Jun 2013 #20
Are you sure he isn't a cyborg or reptilian? Dash87 Jun 2013 #68
You forgot the sarcasm tag. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #24
Is that for me or Roody? Pelican Jun 2013 #27
Very clever for a new poster. Have you ever used another name? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #31
The word "Why" is clever? Pelican Jun 2013 #35
I dont buy your pretense of naivete. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #36
The man did lose a lucrative network contract for making a wise crack when his job is to Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #28
And some believe others have lost way more than that. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #29
BFEE- Bush Family Evil Empire roody Jun 2013 #42
maher is way off on this one.... madrchsod Jun 2013 #3
I think he's right rickyhall Jun 2013 #7
uh, yeah. invading iraq was not about killing saddam pasto76 Jun 2013 #8
(Iraq)..and empty the US Treasury underpants Jun 2013 #11
^^^ This. MH1 Jun 2013 #30
and no doubt thought they were "doing God's work" in de-funding the evil government. n/t Ligyron Jun 2013 #57
The GOP... TinkerTot55 Jun 2013 #13
I'm increasingly coming to believe we need a draft caraher Jun 2013 #16
I respectfully disagree; 7962 Jun 2013 #48
I think we're a very long way from being in real peril from a slightly weaker military caraher Jun 2013 #56
Very well said. IrishAyes Jun 2013 #60
I am oppossed to the draft because I consider it slavery. Sirveri Jun 2013 #58
i so agree wolfisis Jun 2013 #21
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #22
well, it was originally xxqqqzme Jun 2013 #40
C'mon pasto... Aviation Pro Jun 2013 #23
Really? Lenomsky Jun 2013 #38
I'm with you, Pro. 7962 Jun 2013 #50
well stated frylock Jun 2013 #33
THANK YOU Skittles Jun 2013 #51
One got victims by forcing them into cars adieu Jun 2013 #10
Also poverty draft Lars39 Jun 2013 #34
Maher was spot on. IrishAyes Jun 2013 #46
It was actually a mountain bike ride - but it's worse that Maher knows caraher Jun 2013 #4
Someone might get hurt while riding a bicycle or just being around Bush... L0oniX Jun 2013 #15
Bush also fell off a Segway. It has computers and gyroscopes and he still managed it. Paulie Jun 2013 #18
Saw that. Maybe he was chewing gum at the time. n/t L0oniX Jun 2013 #19
Chewing gum? IrishAyes Jun 2013 #47
Maybe he needed a vacation... L0oniX Jun 2013 #54
I wonder if they allow him to eay pretzels on his vacations. Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #63
Just tried to kill that bug!!!!!!! 7962 Jun 2013 #49
Disagree Chuuku Davis Jun 2013 #6
Actually, it's like that guy throwing the girls a pizza party,... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #9
My thoughts TNNurse Jun 2013 #12
Maher nailed this one perdita9 Jun 2013 #14
No doubt he is caraher Jun 2013 #17
So nice to hear IrishAyes Jun 2013 #45
I am not particularly happy with the analogy, but I agree with this statement, rhett o rick Jun 2013 #25
lol ctsnowman Jun 2013 #65
Was my contempt too obvious? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #69
This is more like Charles Manson dancing on the graves of the people he had murdered. Lint Head Jun 2013 #26
The soldiers chose to be held captive. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #37
Funny: Maher's name is so often misspelled on DU that the correct spelling looks weird. n/t trackfan Jun 2013 #39
I get Bill's point amuse bouche Jun 2013 #41
Spot on. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #43
Always loved Maher. IrishAyes Jun 2013 #44
I used to appreciate Bill a lot more. mimi85 Jun 2013 #55
I know Bill can be a pill. IrishAyes Jun 2013 #59
Bill Maher is the modern-day Lenny Bruce. kentuck Jun 2013 #61
So true. IrishAyes Jun 2013 #62
It offended some of his guests on the show, but the reality is a lot families lives have been still_one Jun 2013 #52
Bush doesn't pity them Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2013 #53
Most Republicans don't. Soldiers are tools to them. If the tool is destroyed, you replace it with Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #64
Nailed it. ctsnowman Jun 2013 #66
K & R ctsnowman Jun 2013 #67
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