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marions ghost

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127. I don't think it's a matter of "recognizing failings" so much...

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 05:50 PM

Jun 2013

since I don't think that OWS failed. I think the Powers That Be failed.

Failed to hear.
Failed to respond.
Failed to allow peaceful dissent.

A BIG FAIL. An unforgiveable, monstrous fail.

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Most of what you're talking about amounts to community service and "how to sell OWS" to the masses. I don't think that's the point. This isn't about better marketing strategies. (OWS being a promising start-up & going public).

Getting down to the political necessity of Democratic party overhaul--you cite that as failing in the past. How would it succeed?

"More direct action against corporations." -- now that idea has merit--it is about the only power we have. More creative brainstorming needed, and more organizing. And wasn't that what OWS was all about in the first place? Taking it directly to Wall Street. That was & is the brilliance of OWS. Identifying and calling out the source of our oppression. Pointing the finger directly at it. And that should continue to be the focus.

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Keep checking, it is world wide and there will be plenty of photos and video from across the world sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #27

aw that before canonfodder Jun 2013 #183

See? More indisputable proof that Occupy does not exist. Zorra Jun 2013 #2

Can't fool me. OCCUPY! is dead. bvar22 Jun 2013 #3

lol's KoKo Jun 2013 #4

The spirit of occupy notundecided Jun 2013 #35

+1 G_j Jun 2013 #41

They don't have a billionaire to lead them! Skeeter Barnes Jun 2013 #53

Good News...thanks for posting! KoKo Jun 2013 #5

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Re-Occupy marions ghost Jun 2013 #8

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Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #10

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That's really beautiful, thank you! Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #51

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Great news! LeftofObama Jun 2013 #12

la lucha continua HiPointDem Jun 2013 #13

Awesome. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #14

Yeah baby! damnedifIknow Jun 2013 #15

That was so inspiring!!!!! ReRe Jun 2013 #22

Amazing video damnedifIknow Jun 2013 #48

During the state democratic convention nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #36

Are all these folks "conservadems"? The date is 1/25/13. Go on, guess...... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #65

No marions ghost Jun 2013 #67

It was the "biggest" Occupy! nt Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #98

Absolutely. marions ghost Jun 2013 #112

Then Occupy should be occupying the halls of Congress, not Wall St. Wall St is a symptom, Congress Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #115

If congress were not beholden to Wall St marions ghost Jun 2013 #116

Wall St can't pass a law, my dear. On the other hand, Congress can. Put the pressure where it... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #120

If you call OWS a "blight" on a city park marions ghost Jun 2013 #129

!!! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #137

Of course not. Wall St has merely bought and paid for those who do pass legislation n/t eridani Jun 2013 #141

And what do you hope to get from the buyer (Wall St)? Shame? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #142

Shit, Wall Street would gladly SELL expressions of shame! randome Jun 2013 #146

Precisely. I, seriously, don't get what they think "Wall St" will do for them? No one seems able.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #147

When has Congress EVER went against their bosses on Wall St?... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #134

When has Wall Street EVER stopped playing puppeteer? randome Jun 2013 #138

Good luck with that. How's that socialism working out in Tennessee? You can't shame Wall St. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #140

There you go. Good luck with your neo-liberal Paradise.... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #150

And good luck in Red State Hell, where you're even less effective than you are here. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #168

Two of the best sentences I''ve ever read on DU. MADem Jun 2013 #153

Congress = Wall St. . The two are essentially the same. Erose999 Jun 2013 #173

So you're another one who's ready to party in the park, just for funzies. I get it. Is there any.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #176

Tell me just how Obama plans to get anything done? The man can't lead his way out of a paper bag. Erose999 Jun 2013 #179

Dems had a veto proof "majority" for all of 72 days, so you're as full of crap as I thought. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #180

That is great! Thank you! Squinch Jun 2013 #44

This cant be happening. We are constantly being told here that OWS has no organization. So they just rhett o rick Jun 2013 #16

Occupy doesn't even know what it wants! Here's proof: Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #19

But, but I saw one holding a Ron Paul sign once. That nullifies the complete movement. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #20

Ron Paul failed, and was later heard mutter to himself Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #25

It was more than a sign. They set up house on behalf of Ron Paul. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #56

Ron Paul took advantage of the movement. He got some of his supporters involved. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #59

Pres. Obama eventually saw the movement for what it truly was. He wasn't trying.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #63

I think you're wrong on that marions ghost Jun 2013 #68

Nothing against "middle class white kids", but where the hell were they before the housing crisis... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #99

I'm sure you and I are on the same page marions ghost Jun 2013 #111

I think the basic misconception is that they are now, or were ever "on our side". That's a.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #114

+1 you really nailed it in this subthread. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #164

"OWS is fake" to those that desperately want the comfort of authoritarianism. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #73

"Threatens"? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #100

If you believe that, why do you make such an effort to disparage them? If they werent a threat, why rhett o rick Jun 2013 #103

I'm so glad you learned a new word "authoritarianism". I'm gonna guess until a couple of days ago, Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #105

You just cant help yourself can you. I have had enough of your ridicule and hatred. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #108

Ooooohhh! Am I on ignore again? For the 1000th time? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #110

I showed that one information about Occupy's Medical Clinic here and asked what her Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #163

Sadly too many conservatives have slithered under our tent. We must kick them out rhett o rick Jun 2013 #165

"Kick them out"? I bet you'll go before I will. The party's moved beyond you. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #169

Well said rhett o rick Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #102

There is a great book, "The Authoritarians" that explains a lot. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #106

Great, thanks for the link! Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #107

50,000 people strong won't get shit from CorpMedia, but two teabaggers in lawnchairs gets 24/7 FAUX! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #64

Those that want to declare OWS a failure fall into two categories: rhett o rick Jun 2013 #74

It doesn't take much to occupy a park hack89 Jun 2013 #58

Another "world", another way of living, is most obviously desperately needed. OCCUPY! Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #17

OCCUPY is the Democrats... kentuck Jun 2013 #18

Not a bad idea, but I devoutly hope they're saner than the NRA friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #21

I knew it! I knew it was going to happen again! ReRe Jun 2013 #23

Have you seen what's happening in Turkey? People have occupied sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #37

Yikes! That's a BUNCH.... ReRe Jun 2013 #45

+1000 kentuck Jun 2013 #52

I've been following on twitter all day! Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #24

I dont do twitter, can you keep us up to date? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #26

You got to be kidding nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #28

Is Tim Pool covering this? Timcast? SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #29

a couple videos I found from today's protest in New York rollin74 Jun 2013 #30

Thank you thank you thank you! n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #46

Sundays schedule Bennyboy Jun 2013 #31

More theoretical wondering... xenoturkey Jun 2013 #32

look up the word "consensus" G_j Jun 2013 #42

I kinda wish they'd bring sand bags and assault rifles to the new occupation. Sirveri Jun 2013 #33

Right. Take over other people's parks by force of arms. randome Jun 2013 #34

Which is exactly what the NYPD did. Sirveri Jun 2013 #61

Ridiculous. Isn't that the Kokesh strategy? marions ghost Jun 2013 #69

Debating if I'm serious or not. Sirveri Jun 2013 #71

Agree that we have a serious problem marions ghost Jun 2013 #78

If there is never a threat of violence then non-violence will be ignored. Sirveri Jun 2013 #118

I think that's bullshit marions ghost Jun 2013 #123

Violence is an application of force to solve a problem. Sirveri Jun 2013 #149

I'm all for prosecution of these greedy corrupt white collar criminals marions ghost Jun 2013 #152

You remind me of the nutjobs who listen to rightwing radio and go out and kill abortion providers, Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #181

you obviously didn't read upthread where I expounded my views. Sirveri Jun 2013 #182

Oh, yes. That's just a great idea. MineralMan Jun 2013 #38

If half the goal of struggle is to become stronger, what has Occupy learned in its fight? Dignitarian Jun 2013 #43

OWS is not the movement. It is but a part of the movement. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #60

Stopmotionsolo appears to be livestreaming: Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #47

It is - thank you! salin Jun 2013 #49

Best of luck and success to all of you. Cleita Jun 2013 #50

More power to 'em. Our formal political system is a bad joke. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #55

Weather finally got warm enough for camping. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #57

Really? Considering that most of the occupations around the world took place in winter, sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #62

I think it funny how you always bring in the global OWS movement hack89 Jun 2013 #66

They're doing more marions ghost Jun 2013 #70

Everyone at DU are "people sitting on their butts posting on a message board." hack89 Jun 2013 #75

Specify what kind of Democrats you want to elect. marions ghost Jun 2013 #80

Democrats just like President Obama are what America needs more of. hack89 Jun 2013 #83

You mean like Penny Pritzker? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #86

Elizabeth Warren, Sheldon Whitehouse, Jack Reed hack89 Jun 2013 #87

In the climate of oppression by our corporate masters marions ghost Jun 2013 #113

Help give us control of the House in 2014. randome Jun 2013 #117

Oh yeah marions ghost Jun 2013 #121

No OWS hater here, having attended meetings in Austin... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #122

Careful... zappaman Jun 2013 #124

It's Golden Apples, community service. And we walk past them... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #126

Why don't you start a community service organization then marions ghost Jun 2013 #128

Been a part of community service for years, and it has its rewards... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #131

What kind of 'direct action' do you mean? randome Jun 2013 #132

I gave an example.... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #135

Then why isn't OWS coordinating to do those things? randome Jun 2013 #136

"aligning to the right?" God, I hope not!... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #143

Bogged down in 'process'. That's exactly what Wired said. randome Jun 2013 #145

Good ideas marions ghost Jun 2013 #148

Multi-faceted approach marions ghost Jun 2013 #151

I don't think it's a matter of "recognizing failings" so much... marions ghost Jun 2013 #127

Indeed the "Powers" failed, perhaps because they didn't see the incentive... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #130

We're in agreement marions ghost Jun 2013 #133

Image is always there. Build up your own or someone else will tear it down... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #139

Artists should not be in service for party and event entertainment... marions ghost Jun 2013 #144

It's bread and roses; entertainment and even "feeling good" are vital. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #171

Not suggesting to plan anyone's agenda marions ghost Jun 2013 #172

I don't think we differ much on this. Good link. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #175

No prob marions ghost Jun 2013 #177

Obama is more of a hindrance than a help at this point. He's not going to stand up to the T-baggers Erose999 Jun 2013 #174

What has become painfully obvious over the course of the last 2 years, is that OWS has . . . Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #72

What is obvious is, much to the discomfort of the haters, OWS isnt going away. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #76

It's hyperbole like this that does OWS no service. randome Jun 2013 #77

"Why does the 1% fear Occupy?" rhett o rick Jun 2013 #81

Yes, the rich did give a damn. They gave enough of a damn that one of their PR Contractors sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #88

That was a PR firm trying to get money funneled their way. randome Jun 2013 #89

PR Contractors do not propose multi million dollar smear campaigns against a non existent sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #90

PR firms DO propose multi million dollar schemes. randome Jun 2013 #91

The public was not ready to see them go. Right Wing Businesses, and if you had actually sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #92

+++++ marions ghost Jun 2013 #79

My local Occupy runs a weekly free medical clinic out of a bus downtown. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #93

Sure, sure, whatever dude. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #95

Wow! sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #109

Read the article if you are able to. It's not a bloodmobile, we have those too. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #156

I think it's odd that as a democrat you know so little about a movement that the left has sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #82

It doesn't offend me. Why should it? hack89 Jun 2013 #84

They have done far more already than any group identifiying as 'moderate centrists' has Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #94

OWS withered and died away in Providence hack89 Jun 2013 #96

Maybe they had to break camp to line up to enter the Lottery to get into your free clinic Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #158

No - Occupy Providence are not needy hack89 Jun 2013 #160

It's a joke, kiddo, much like it is joke to brag about a clinic that has to have a lottery Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #162

You were the one bragging about Occupy Medical Eugene hack89 Jun 2013 #167

Rhode Island has had a free clinic since 1999 that is considered a model for the country hack89 Jun 2013 #97

It was a model for the FQHC plan that Sanders put into ACA Recursion Jun 2013 #101

From Rhode Island Clinc website.... Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #155

Which is why Sanders expanded the program nationally Recursion Jun 2013 #170

Yes, we have had one here as well for many decades. It is very busy now we have another. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #154

There is a monthly Lottery to get on the application list. It's right there at your link. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #157

It certainly won't be Occupy Providence that will set one up hack89 Jun 2013 #159

Maybe it is a local culture thing? The clinic you guys were waving about as excellent Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #161

So I cannot criticize OWS because Providence is not a utopia? hack89 Jun 2013 #166

Excellent points Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #104

Bout time! lonestarnot Jun 2013 #85

Syria! deaniac21 Jun 2013 #119

The OWS haters are having a fit! Rex Jun 2013 #125

Anybody still there? I asked a co-worker who walks through there on a call this morning.. snooper2 Jun 2013 #178