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19. It's going to be hard because you have conflicting testimony from eye witnesses even

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Tue Jun 4, 2013, 03:44 AM

Jun 2013

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How are so many missing the biggest claim Zimmerman made about the shooting [View all] newmember Jun 2013 OP

The crime happened a long way from the truck he claimed to be right outside. alphafemale Jun 2013 #1

No newmember Jun 2013 #2

I have never heard that. alphafemale Jun 2013 #3

It was not newmember Jun 2013 #4

Heh, refuting Zimmerman's *claims* will be a cakewalk for the prosecutor. pacalo Jun 2013 #25

Yep. All those lies of his will definitely come back to bite him. (I hope). nt. polly7 Jun 2013 #101

Martin is to blame for exactly nothing. Zero. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #73

Interesting Just Saying Jun 2013 #89

I remember Zimmy talking about Trayvon going for his gun, way back in the beginning. uppityperson Jun 2013 #106

The EMT's that treated him disagree with you. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #96

Officer's Cellphone Pics Show Zimmerman May NOT Have Been Punched the Night he Killed Trayvon Tx4obama Jun 2013 #157

That will be for the lawyers to argue and the jury to decide. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #160

In my opinion the most damaging and telling thing Zimmerman said... Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #5

Yup, listening to what he said, it is very telling. uppityperson Jun 2013 #7

The bottom line for me is his pursuit of Trayvon after the dispatcher told him to stand down. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #9

For you, maybe, but legally even someone disobeying a 911 operator has a right to self defense Recursion Jun 2013 #11

It's going to be hard because you have conflicting testimony from eye witnesses even newmember Jun 2013 #19

Exactly, though with a positive defense a tie doesn't necessarily go to Zimmerman Recursion Jun 2013 #21

you are of the "male" persuasion aren't you? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #105

I don't agree. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #23

You're right about the quality of Zimmerman's life after making such a poor choice. pacalo Jun 2013 #40

Freepers are stilly passing around the GZ donation web site and claim to be donating Sheepshank Jun 2013 #102

That's the type of riffraff I was talking about. pacalo Jun 2013 #118

In the 911 call, Zimmerman said Martin was running away Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #28

Z says otherwise Recursion Jun 2013 #31

The 911 call refutes it Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #33

That's impossible Recursion Jun 2013 #34

Nope Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #36

doesn't matter Recursion Jun 2013 #37

It sure does matter Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #41

we don't know that Recursion Jun 2013 #46

That's bullshit because the scene of the confrontation Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #52

That's exactly the bottom line. ryan_cats Jun 2013 #114

Zimmerman was ALREADY out of his vehicle when the dispatcher told him not to follow. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #97

As a female VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #108

Zimmerman's lies haven't done much for his credibility. What he "says" will have meant pacalo Jun 2013 #44

If he can get those introduced Recursion Jun 2013 #47

Zimmerman is the only eyewitness. How will his lawyer introduce his claims if he doesn't testify. pacalo Jun 2013 #50

Applause! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #109

Yes, we do. The physical evidence as it relates to Z's story, and... Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #71

"Zimmerman uttered a racial epithet " newmember Jun 2013 #38

I don't think he was actually cleared on that Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #49

No, Zimmerman was ALREADY out of his truck at that point. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #98

When you hunt down somebody while you are armed with a deadly weapon Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #55

Before God, yes. Before 12 of your peers, less so. Recursion Jun 2013 #56

well if you believe that...as a woman it makes me want to vomit! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #111

As a combat vet it makes me ill Recursion Jun 2013 #120

No actually it is not....in the military...rape victims cannot get a fair shake...your view is VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #132

Powerful, irrelevant statements Recursion Jun 2013 #133

not surprised you cannot see the forest for the trees when it comes to your opinions... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #137

Self Defense is an affirmative defense. This means that it is not ASSUMED Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #72

Not in Florida. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #99

just based on this thread alone GZ is pissed that "fucking*slur* keep getting away with it." Sheepshank Jun 2013 #103

Following someone in their vehicle. Deliberately confronting a person in public for no valid reason. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #75

So you're saying you have a right to hit someone who does those things? Recursion Jun 2013 #76

All I need is for you to touch me. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #78

I agree. I doubt Z touched him first Recursion Jun 2013 #80

In your post 75 you didn't list anything that involved touching. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #100

What is your point? Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #131

Trayvon is the one that could use self-defense here VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #113

You are not correct MattBaggins Jun 2013 #154

"They always get away", which provides Zimmerman's motivation in disregarding the pacalo Jun 2013 #27

Had similar thoughts. Great analysis. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2013 #66

i think you're right samsingh Jun 2013 #107

Zimmerman is a paranoid gun humper Skittles Jun 2013 #6

nice to see i'm not the only one JI7 Jun 2013 #26

he's not good at what he does Skittles Jun 2013 #51

:Lots of us have noticed! HangOnKids Jun 2013 #149

. newmember Jun 2013 #42

Ahh how cute! HangOnKids Jun 2013 #110

The gun should then have Martin's fingerprints on it, no? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #8

They didn't run any prints on Zimmerman's gun , and it also would have been too late newmember Jun 2013 #12

Again, that's what Zimmerman *claims*. He's been proven to be a liar. pacalo Jun 2013 #45

Zimmy also says Trayvon said "you got me" before dramatically falling dead. uppityperson Jun 2013 #112

Martin Went For The Gun That Zimmerman Had Not Pulled Out Yet? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #129

Yes newmember Jun 2013 #138

Which Is It? I Offered 2 Scenarios HangOnKids Jun 2013 #140

read the thread newmember Jun 2013 #146

He claims to have shot Martin because he feared Martin would attack him again Recursion Jun 2013 #10

No, it is not consistent with being attacked. It is consistent with he was injured in the face, uppityperson Jun 2013 #13

It's consistent that a fist fight happened newmember Jun 2013 #15

He could have been kicked in the face. Or been hit with a branch from a tree. Or fell face down. uppityperson Jun 2013 #17

There's eye witnesses that there was a fight between the two newmember Jun 2013 #22

You miss the point. SEEING someone do something means you saw them. Seeing blood on a uppityperson Jun 2013 #104

Well, yes, that is actually consistent with being attacked Recursion Jun 2013 #18

It "could be" not "is"? OK. That I will agree with. uppityperson Jun 2013 #20

I didn't say he wasn't attacked , but is it plausible that Martin went for his gun? newmember Jun 2013 #14

Is that part of the actual legal defense? Recursion Jun 2013 #16

How can it not be part of it? newmember Jun 2013 #24

They might make that claim but its unprovable vs the bloody nose and cuts on his head. dkf Jun 2013 #29

So you heard about this claim early on in the case also ? newmember Jun 2013 #32

At the time I thought it was too pat and awfully convenient. dkf Jun 2013 #39

Then the prosecution can make him out a liar if they back off of it newmember Jun 2013 #43

I'm thinking there is no way to prove or disprove that statement. dkf Jun 2013 #48

I'm no lawyer but I could trip him up in about 4 questions if I was allowed newmember Jun 2013 #77

so you understand lawyers cannot ask whatever they want? Recursion Jun 2013 #122

They can ask what ever they like but it will be objected to by the defense newmember Jun 2013 #139

HOW ELSE WOULD HE EXPLAIN KILLING AN UNARMED TEENAGER??? Skittles Jun 2013 #53

Because PR and legal defense are different Recursion Jun 2013 #30

It's going to be an interesting trial to follow newmember Jun 2013 #35

What? You think the bigoted gun lovers will riot if Zimmerman gets convicted of murdering unarmed Hoyt Jun 2013 #116

I think anything can happen newmember Jun 2013 #136

Well at least you understand how non-law-abiding gun lovers generally are, despite what they say. Hoyt Jun 2013 #143

It could go either way newmember Jun 2013 #147

That would be the case. Is that what you and your buddies think? Hoyt Jun 2013 #150

No either way frightens me newmember Jun 2013 #151

You've already said what you think, and it's a bunch of bigoted BS. Hoyt Jun 2013 #152

You are hurting my feelings now newmember Jun 2013 #153

Why are you so invested in arguing for Zimmerman? demwing Jun 2013 #57

Because Latino men are constantly accused of aggression falsely? Recursion Jun 2013 #58

thank you for the verification demwing Jun 2013 #60

Facts are precisely what we don't have Recursion Jun 2013 #61

You had a chance to answer differently demwing Jun 2013 #62

No, and you just revealed yourself by that Recursion Jun 2013 #63

Come on, be real demwing Jun 2013 #64

I don't defend Zimmerman at all. I hope he's convicted. I also think it's a hard case Recursion Jun 2013 #65

It must be difficult demwing Jun 2013 #67

No, it's easy: Zimmerman is a fucking liar Recursion Jun 2013 #68

Sorry. I was referring to your comments demwing Jun 2013 #69

Oh, nothing to say, then. I have no conflict reported. Recursion Jun 2013 #70

Zimmerman's lawyer is going to have to make the decision on whether newmember Jun 2013 #81

It would surprise me if Z takes the stand, because that opens up his whole history of bullshit Recursion Jun 2013 #85

To me it seems he wants to take the stand against his lawyers advice newmember Jun 2013 #92

That is my armchair lawyer take too Recursion Jun 2013 #95

He's not required to, but it's the only way Just Saying Jun 2013 #94

That's why I started this thread newmember Jun 2013 #83

why shouldn't "stand your ground" veganlush Jun 2013 #54

Z is not attempting an SYG defense Recursion Jun 2013 #59

He's claiming self-defense, which is pretty much the same. SYG just gives punks like Z Hoyt Jun 2013 #117

Oh no. Huge difference. Recursion Jun 2013 #121

He's claiming self-defense. SYG is just another way for gun lovers to protect themselves Hoyt Jun 2013 #125

doesn't matter. veganlush Jun 2013 #135

No, you can't use deadly force for simply "feeling" threatened. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #141

you're making shit up veganlush Jun 2013 #156

You don't understand self-defense or SYG. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #159

Zimmerson shot an unarmed kid warrior1 Jun 2013 #74

. orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #79

So the gunshot wound will show that Martin was shot in the back while in a standing position? Common Sense Party Jun 2013 #84

No, he spun around and got shot in the chest. orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #87

So the evidence shows that both men were in a standing position when Trayvon was shot? Common Sense Party Jun 2013 #115

Forensics are fascinating, a history of crime isn't . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #123

Do you have evidence that both men were standing? Common Sense Party Jun 2013 #124

No, being one of the two wittinesses are dead, Conjecture will... orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #126

There are other witnesses. Common Sense Party Jun 2013 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2013 #130

Wasn't Trayvon's girlfriend on the phone with him? spinbaby Jun 2013 #82

There is audio but I think it was discredited. N/t Just Saying Jun 2013 #91

What Zimmerman said was Just Saying Jun 2013 #86

I wonder how many pursuers call 9/11 ? orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #88

He was playing cop Just Saying Jun 2013 #90

he had a record of making a lot of phone calls to cops including on some small black child JI7 Jun 2013 #134

Ones who want to shoot someone and get away with it. nt. Mariana Jun 2013 #119

You may be on to something! Just Saying Jun 2013 #128

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #142

Have you listened to the tapes? Just Saying Jun 2013 #144

Some gun owners fantasize about shooting a "bad guy". Mariana Jun 2013 #148

other than any public talk z did after he was read his rights..it doesn't matter his explaning 'why' Sunlei Jun 2013 #93

n/t Dwayne Hicks Jun 2013 #145

Poster is nothing if not consistent curlyred Jun 2013 #155

Officer's Cellphone Pics Show Zimmerman May NOT Have Been Punched the Night he Killed Trayvon Tx4obama Jun 2013 #158