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haele

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43. This is what happens when you run "government like a business" -
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 03:48 PM
Jun 2013

And can make a profit off it.
It becomes the best government money and lobbyists can buy - and this sort of spying on the citizenry is totally in line with all the other data mining corporations and for-profit social organizations have been doing over the last couple decades. This sort of surveillance just the next step if you're part of a large, profitable investment organization that has a vested interest in keeping the political status quo and protecting one's operational capabilities in any nation state. Minimize the possibility of competitors and pacify the population one is feeding on.

Doesn't surprise me that we came to this point in the least - too many private corporations have taken over the responsibility for running the people's government, and the collective "we" was willing to do it because we wanted to make money - including hundreds of thousands of those who were willing to work on government project but weren't willing to "put up" with the lesser pay government workers tend to get in comparison to their private-sector compatriots.

Our elected officials are basically businessmen, partners to investment groups and think tanks, and getting more "private" hands in the public pots of money benefits them far more than doing actual governing for the citizens that elected them. I think the last real actual hope for a citizen-based government that followed constitutional ethics we've had was during the Carter presidency, but he was out-spent and was pummeled enough by moneyed interests that no one would be willing to take them on for the citizenry.

So now, we pretty much just have factions working against each other on a level above most of us in the US.
Most of the "leaks" I've seen int the past 10 years (post 9-11) appear to have been planted by political opponents where previously unlikely "whistle-blowers" could stumble upon all this evidence they would not normally have access to and be able to play the victim to the press.
Again - it's not that what is being done in the shadows is acceptable, it's that the manner in which most of it is coming out is suspicious, and should equally concerning.

Get the profit out of government - even though it's probably too late now with the entrenchment of private contractors (and yes, I'm one, too...). That's the only thing that will stop the erosion of rights and citizenry.


If we don't do that, all we end up with is being robbed blind while we're letting ourselves be mollified by the spectacles of Bread and Circuses, rah, rah, rah.

Haele

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Thank you to the DUer who pointed out and awoke some of this within me. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #1
The neo cons have royally fucked this country up. mick063 Jun 2013 #2
Agree. KICK Th1onein Jun 2013 #3
Huge, huge K&R woo me with science Jun 2013 #4
The terror meme is very productive and they've stepped up the pace. snappyturtle Jun 2013 #5
Perfectly and beautifully stated. Thank you! K&R n/t markpkessinger Jun 2013 #6
And yet, when asked what is the most important issue on the minds of Americans sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #7
I know that you know that TERRA! is a superb distraction from jobs, and this: Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #8
Good point Sabrina. It's not a democracy if you choose to live under total authoritarian rule. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #11
Keep an eye out for them. Challenge them. Point out that they are supporting the gutting of our very Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #40
I have tried but it is hopeless. Their need for the comfort that authoritarian rule gives them rhett o rick Jun 2013 #47
NONE ARE MORE HOPELESSLY ENSLAVED THAN THOSE WHO FALSELY BELIEVE THEY ARE FREE. lunasun Jun 2013 #63
They don't need to get rid of the whole thing... Javaman Jun 2013 #9
Actually, Bush called it "a G**d**ned piece of paper," the good Christian patriot that he is. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #12
Yes... DissidentVoice Jun 2013 #46
Does the 1st really exist anymore?... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #50
Good point. nt Javaman Jun 2013 #66
This sounds an awful lot like 2nd amendment fundamentalism ucrdem Jun 2013 #10
I honestly don't think so although you could be correct. I think it's Neocon driven and is byeya Jun 2013 #14
That's more or less what I mean. ucrdem Jun 2013 #15
Our Constitutional rights ARE fundamental to this democracy. How odd that you would sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #17
I repeated no such defense you're making things up as usual. ucrdem Jun 2013 #19
So, why are Liberal Democrats who expect their representatives to abide by the oath they took sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #21
I agree with you and thanks for setting me straight. I will say this: I think ther middle east byeya Jun 2013 #18
Thanks and it's funny you mention it because that's exactly what's going on. ucrdem Jun 2013 #22
Yes, the President could easily have taken the bait by now and it's to his credit that he has not byeya Jun 2013 #23
I'm an Occupier. Fuck the neocons (if you didn't see that in my OP), fuck Israel's government. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #38
Keep up the good fight! Occupy! -nt- b.durruti Jun 2013 #60
I'm an Occupier, not a militia man, but thanks for validating the Chomsky quote and the point of my Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #35
And that is why this is so scary nineteen50 Jun 2013 #59
A little "Minority Report"-ish, eh? As Woo Me With Science mentioned elsewhere, Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #61
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HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #16
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kick woo me with science Jun 2013 #24
The war on terror is really a war on American citizens. Initech Jun 2013 #25
terror? WTF undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #26
ENOUGH. Resist with all your passion and knowledge, those who would burn the founding documents of o clarice Jun 2013 #27
Keep in mind that the feds consider Occupy to be a terrorist organization. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #28
+1 woo me with science Jun 2013 #33
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I rec'c this, and went to bed. You've said so well what I have been thinking. Gregorian Jun 2013 #30
What NAZI Germany and Imperial Japan together couldn't accomplish... Octafish Jun 2013 #31
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The Enabling Act. Germany 1933 formercia Jun 2013 #34
I think we are by-passing the need for such an Act. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #67
Who is Terror. Phlem Jun 2013 #37
K&R. nt DLevine Jun 2013 #39
Kick because I have been paying attention since 2000, and particular attention since 2004. nt silvershadow Jun 2013 #41
Highly recommended DU link: Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #42
This is what happens when you run "government like a business" - haele Jun 2013 #43
Point Taken matt819 Jun 2013 #44
And to vilify and discredit each other based Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #45
Kick. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #48
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We're all Germans now. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #56
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