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In reply to the discussion: hi from europe, i "love" watching "democrats" apologise for fascism! [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)140. We will cover ourselves with sackcloth and ashes immediately!
Last edited Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:23 AM - Edit history (1)

From the era being mentioned:
Fascist critiques[edit]
Drawing on the ideas of Arthur de Gobineau (18161882), European fascists decried the supposed degenerating effect of immigration on the racial mix of the American population. The Nazi philosopher Alfred Rosenberg argued that race mixture in the United States made it inferior to countries like Germany, which had a supposedly pure-bred racial stock.[22]
Anti-Semitism was another factor in these critiques. The belief that America was ruled by a Jewish conspiracy was common in countries ruled by fascists before and during World War II.[22]
In an address to the Reichstag on 11 December 1941, Hitler declared war on the United States and lambasted U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt:
"He [Roosevelt] was strengthened in this [political diversion] by the circle of Jews surrounding him, who, with Old Testament-like fanaticism, believe that the United States can be the instrument for preparing another Purim for the European nations that are becoming increasingly anti-Semitic. It was the Jew, in his full Satanic vileness, who rallied around this man [Roosevelt], but to whom this man also reached out".[43]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism#Fascist_critiques
There is an older version:
Degeneracy thesis[edit]
In the mid- to late-eighteenth century, a theory emerged among some European intellectuals that the New World landmasses were inherently inferior to Europe. The so-called "degeneracy thesis" held that climatic extremes, humidity and other atmospheric conditions in America physically weakened both men and animals.[22]:319 Some authors such as James W. Ceaser and Philippe Roger, have interpreted this theory as "a kind of prehistory of anti-Americanism."[23][24] and have (in the words of Philippe Roger) been a historical constant since the 18th century, or again an endlessly repetitive semantic block. Others, like Jean-François Revel, have examined what lay hidden behind this 'fashionable' ideology.[25] Purported evidence for the idea included the smallness of American fauna, dogs that ceased to bark, and venomous plants;[26] one theory put forth was that the New World had emerged from the Biblical flood later than the Old World.[27] Native Americans were also held to be feeble, small, and without ardor.[28]
The theory originated with Comte de Buffon, a leading French naturalist, in his Histoire Naturelle (1766).[28] The French writer Voltaire joined Buffon and others in making the argument.[26] Dutchman Cornelius de Pauw, court philosopher to Frederick II of Prussia became its leading proponent.[23] While Buffon focused on the American biological environment, de Pauw attacked people native to the continent.[27] James Ceaser has noted that the denouncement of America as inferior to Europe was in part motivated by the German government's fear of mass emigration; de Pauw called on to convince the Germans that the new world was inferior. De Pauw is also known to have influenced the philosopher Immanuel Kant in a similar direction.[29]
De Pauw said that the New World was unfit for human habitation because it was, "so ill-favored by nature that all it contains is either degenerate or monstrous." He asserted that, "the earth, full of putrefacation, was flooded with lizards, snakes, serpents, reptiles and insects." Taking a long-term perspective he announced that he was, "certain that the conquest of the New World...has been the greatest of all misfortunes befall mankind." [30]
The theory made it easy to argue that the natural environment of the United States would prevent it from ever producing true culture. Echoing de Pauw, the French Encyclopedist Abbé Raynal wrote in 1770, "America has not yet produced a good poet, an able mathematician, one man of genius in a single art or a single science."[31] The theory was debated and rejected by early American thinkers such as Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson; Jefferson, in his Notes on the State of Virginia (1781), provided a detailed rebuttal of de Buffon from a scientific point of view.[23] Hamilton also vigorously rebuked the idea in Federalist No. 11 (1787).[28]
One critic[who?], citing Raynal's ideas, suggests that it was specifically extended to the English colonies that would become the United States.[32]
Roger suggests that the idea of degeneracy posited a symbolic, as well as a scientific America, that would evolve beyond the original thesis. He argues that Buffon's ideas formed the root of a "stratification of negative discourses" that has recurred throughout the two countries' relationship (and has been matched by persistent anti-Gallic sentiment in the United States).[24]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism#Degeneracy_thesis
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That's a good point, but I didn't watch the opening number of the Tonys the first time
el_bryanto
Jun 2013
#1
Oh, don't worry, after spending 40 years of my life in TX, I know the underbelly of all of it.
freshwest
Jun 2013
#234
We welcome all people to the state, including our great neighbors to the south, in Illinois.
AAO
Jun 2013
#237
OP posted like they're not spied on in Europe, and not just through software...
Amonester
Jun 2013
#164
Certainly it would have been tolerated. As long the messages touted the party line.
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#43
Hell, the Stasi probably would have operated a site called Demokratische Untergrund
Art_from_Ark
Jun 2013
#82
This ISN'T a phony state-sponsored dissident trap, it's an actual discussion board. nt
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#87
Even if it were a privately operated discussion board in the old East Germany,
Art_from_Ark
Jun 2013
#89
You can of course, support your premise with peer-reviewed historical evidence
LanternWaste
Jun 2013
#93
No. It's the machinery for just such a state-sponsored dissident trap though.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#194
You said Democratic Underground is a latent dissident trap just waiting to be exploited
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#199
I got it wrong and I apologize. My error was in the reading of your post #87
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#203
Your understanding is incorrect, but that person and I have figured out the source of the
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#210
that is the claim, your government does not deny it is true, franken admitted it is so?
Monkie
Jun 2013
#191
I love to see progressive take what wingers say WITHOUT... WITHOUT question... Regards
uponit7771
Jun 2013
#6
you know you are on the right side of the argument when donald trump is on your side ;)
Monkie
Jun 2013
#13
They don't seem to understand they are killing their chances of a Democratic majority in 2014
Ash_F
Jun 2013
#77
I hate it more when our country does it. I don't live there, I live here. But nice turn off the main
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#36
And then Congress saved him by making his lawlessness legal. You always forget that part.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#37
MADem, oh, no uppity colonials, think they run the place. Bow to your ancestors!
freshwest
Jun 2013
#158
not content with defending the limitless spying on your friends, you are also the language police?
Monkie
Jun 2013
#171
Don't "you people" realize that words--and particular phrases--have specific meanings?
MADem
Jun 2013
#175
You missed insulting: "this place turn into freeperville" (quote from monkie)
uppityperson
Jun 2013
#23
Lots of inaccuracies in your post. Plus Google, Microsoft; Verizon are trending up on 5 day chart.
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#11
Once you've stepped through the looking glass you find that there are many more
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#14
Yeah, it's a stupid expression, since Adolf Eichmann was deeply complicit and knowledgeable
alcibiades_mystery
Jun 2013
#80
True, it must be hard to have to keep trying to defend the indensible so you have to
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#104
You are confusing the propaganda of 20 years ago with the world today.
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#150
Well sweetie pie I'm telling them now that facism was brought to you buy republicans and their
southernyankeebelle
Jun 2013
#48
Thats OK. I love watching people who dont have the facts make judgments! nt
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#56
Nothing like being lectured on privacy from the land of ubiquitous cameras and warrantless searches
Recursion
Jun 2013
#85
That you would find ANY equivalency between legislatively authorized, court reviewed
grantcart
Jun 2013
#88
Call it quits? This is the stupidest conversation in this forum and it has been intiated
Number23
Jun 2013
#130
He won the thread, that's for sure. It's a sad thing to see the Idiocracy at DU.
freshwest
Jun 2013
#160
This may sound strange to you, but many view points are being expressed here. Are you only
still_one
Jun 2013
#107
hey not all of us are politician groupies. there aren plenty of lefties pissed just not on DU.
boilerbabe
Jun 2013
#118
Hey Monkie. Glad you posted, cause I'm watching DU from the exact same perspective
BelgianMadCow
Jun 2013
#137
I'm embarrassed knowing that people in other nations browse here and are able to see how easily
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#147
i have to believe there are people here who are paid to post positions which align them with ultra
xiamiam
Jun 2013
#232
Sadly, I can't disagree. Though, you are also living in a police state. n/t
NoodleyAppendage
Jun 2013
#138
I am surprised that a person can set foot in Europe without understanding what fascism is. nt
bluestate10
Jun 2013
#141
I will tell them that I went with others now on DU to Sen Wellstones office
kickysnana
Jun 2013
#148
One favor, please (maybe it's already begun?). Start a movement for refugee status
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#152
"how do you think it looks to the world when a whistleblower feels safer in china than in the usa?"
Cha
Jun 2013
#166
Oh, and p.s., care to explain the difference in Free Speech between the US and Euro zone countries?
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#169
heard of the term whataboutery? this thread is about your government spying on me
Monkie
Jun 2013
#177
the difference in free speech has nothing to do with limitless spying on your allies
Monkie
Jun 2013
#187
"there are considerable differences between the USA and ... europe concerning... Free Speech"
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#206
you are lying and this thread was about your governments limitless spying on its allies
Monkie
Jun 2013
#221
Nope, I'm not, and you know it. You have no standing to talk civil liberties. When you
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#228
i see elsewhere you are crowing that a torture apologist is going to smear snowdon
Monkie
Jun 2013
#229