hi from europe, i "love" watching "democrats" apologise for fascism!

[Monkie]

187. the difference in free speech has nothing to do with limitless spying on your allies

ok, ill address your whataboutery, if you will address the limitless spying on your allies and the permanent storage of that data.

there are considerable differences between the USA and countries in europe concerning what the law says is free speech, there are considerable differences between countries in europe too, the UK arguably has the greatest limits on free speech due to the laws of libel being very strict, the germans limit free speech when it concerns denial of the holocaust, as do many other countries in europe.

but in the context of this discussion, and the reason i can claim your argument, if it even is one, is baseless, is that what you are talking about are laws enacted by the governments that apply to citizens of those countries, and foreign visitors, if there is a strong demand for those laws to change a political party could make changing this law part of their program for government, and/or citizens can start parties to change that law, one can challenge that law in the courts of the countries that enact those laws, its called democracy.

this discussion on the other hand is about a foreign government and its limitless spying on innocent people who are meant to be its allies, this is illegal under international human rights laws. the companies that collaborated with the US state to enable this have broken european law and the laws of all the individual countries in europe.
see the difference?