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192. I pulled this quote from "Time."

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 09:55 AM

Jun 2013

It clarifies some of the misinformation about the re-emergence of the six-year-old NSA story.

"The NSA has been involved in a legal data-mining operation for almost a decade. Its legality was clarified in the renewal of the Patriot Act, which I supported. It has been described, incorrectly, as electronic eavesdropping. What is really happening is that phone and Internet records are being scanned for patterns that might illuminate terrorist networks. If there is a need to actually eavesdrop, the government has to go to the FISA court for permission."

There seems to be quite a bit of overreaction to this.

Let's see how it plays out to see whether Snowden is a hero or is part of an orchestrated "next big scandal to bog down the administration" sham.

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hi from europe, i "love" watching "democrats" apologise for fascism! [View all] Monkie Jun 2013 OP

That's a good point, but I didn't watch the opening number of the Tonys the first time el_bryanto Jun 2013 #1

"democratic activists" warrant46 Jun 2013 #46

gosh H2O Man Jun 2013 #2

Hey, Europe has no problems. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #4

Is Texas in Europe? H2O Man Jun 2013 #8

Paris and Lebanon are in Texas, as is Palestine. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #12

Okay. H2O Man Jun 2013 #40

You didn't get the memo? Uh, motto? freshwest Jun 2013 #108

Actually, sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #71

Virginia geek tragedy Jun 2013 #72

Minnesota sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #74

around the Möbius strip we go nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #75

Euler characteristic equals sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #81

As is Athens.. n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #90

Athens is in Georgia, which was once part of geek tragedy Jun 2013 #91

Sorry... I misunderstood ... ReRe Jun 2013 #94

Was doing that too, mostly just engaging in absurdities nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #95

ReRe, you are 100% correct. Indeed there is. Picture and information: freshwest Jun 2013 #111

Thanks, freshwest... ReRe Jun 2013 #126

Remember "We're not the jet set?" by George Jones and Tammy Wynette? Tanuki Jun 2013 #163

I remember tiny bits of that song, thanks for the lyrics! freshwest Jun 2013 #165

"The black-eyed pea capital of the world" Aerows Jun 2013 #186

The picture is much nicer than the town Horse with no Name Jun 2013 #219

Yeah, the city of Arlington, TX did pretty much the same thing... Raster Jun 2013 #230

Oh, don't worry, after spending 40 years of my life in TX, I know the underbelly of all of it. freshwest Jun 2013 #234

No. Athens is in Ohio. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #99

Hell is in Michigan, but so is Paradise. dmr Jun 2013 #106

I think you just won the internets today Aerows Jun 2013 #110

This whole discussion is DUzy caliber! truebluegreen Jun 2013 #139

And there is... ReRe Jun 2013 #129

Don't forget Intercourse, Pennsylvania! Tanuki Jun 2013 #189

Hahaha! Cool! n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #190

How about, Blue Ball? jdadd Jun 2013 #233

Berlin is in Wisconsin - top that! AAO Jun 2013 #208

Kind of like it was in East and West Germany? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #211

I don't believe the WI Berlin has a wall. AAO Jun 2013 #212

How do they keep the FIBs out then? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #213

We welcome all people to the state, including our great neighbors to the south, in Illinois. AAO Jun 2013 #237

Challenge accepted! kentauros Jun 2013 #215

Holy Moley! Is that where they all escaped to after WWII? AAO Jun 2013 #238

You'd have to ask the feds about all those Operation Paperclip Germans... kentauros Jun 2013 #239

Berlin, on the other hand, is in New Jersey. name not needed Jun 2013 #92

Unless it is in New Hampshire. nt OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #101

New Berlin H2O Man Jun 2013 #109

italy and moscow as well arely staircase Jun 2013 #119

Earth and Hell's Half Acre are in Texas, too. freshwest Jun 2013 #156

scotland, i think arely staircase Jun 2013 #116

OP posted like they're not spied on in Europe, and not just through software... Amonester Jun 2013 #164

And then there's the London CCTV system kentauros Jun 2013 #216

nice example of whataboutery, i have addressed this elsewhere Monkie Jun 2013 #223

Well, you Europeans are the inventors and high practicitioners geek tragedy Jun 2013 #3

true true Monkie Jun 2013 #22

Funny, I don't think a website like Democratic Underground geek tragedy Jun 2013 #24

Certainly it would have been tolerated. As long the messages touted the party line. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #43

Welcome to DU. aquart Jun 2013 #59

I think it would, so that they would know who to round up. wilsonbooks Jun 2013 #50

Welcome to DU. May your mind open like a flower. aquart Jun 2013 #58

Hell, the Stasi probably would have operated a site called Demokratische Untergrund Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #82

How many DUers have been arrested for posting here? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #83

What's that got to do with anything? Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #86

This ISN'T a phony state-sponsored dissident trap, it's an actual discussion board. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #87

Even if it were a privately operated discussion board in the old East Germany, Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #89

You can of course, support your premise with peer-reviewed historical evidence LanternWaste Jun 2013 #93

Anecdotal evidence from a pen pal in East Germany Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #153

How many open, public dissident forums existed in East Germany? geek tragedy Jun 2013 #195

No. It's the machinery for just such a state-sponsored dissident trap though. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #194

I guess the DU rule against crazy talk has been suspended. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #196

I said one thing and I very much believe it DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #198

You said Democratic Underground is a latent dissident trap just waiting to be exploited geek tragedy Jun 2013 #199

No. No I did not. You may wish to read again. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #200

Here's what you said about DU geek tragedy Jun 2013 #201

I got it wrong and I apologize. My error was in the reading of your post #87 DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #203

Ah, the conversation makes much more sense now. Peace, nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #204

This message was self-deleted by its author Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #205

The error was mine. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #207

Your understanding is incorrect, but that person and I have figured out the source of the geek tragedy Jun 2013 #210

I think Skinner said it expired last Thursday. AAO Jun 2013 #209

This message was self-deleted by its author DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #197

You would never be able to find out... n/t jtuck004 Jun 2013 #162

Stasi again! OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #102

Wow. That's a ridiculously broad brush you're using. Laelth Jun 2013 #47

Hey, the OP labels Americans a bunch of "little Eichmanns" geek tragedy Jun 2013 #69

I believe he was referring to the rabid authoritarians on this board whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #143

Little Eichmanns was coined to suggest that the victims geek tragedy Jun 2013 #145

dont lie because you have no factual arguments! Monkie Jun 2013 #174

You remain obnoxiously ignorant. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #180

i asked you to stop lying. Monkie Jun 2013 #184

"limitless spying on my friends" geek tragedy Jun 2013 #185

that is the claim, your government does not deny it is true, franken admitted it is so? Monkie Jun 2013 #191

of course there is spying, geek tragedy Jun 2013 #193

I "love" watching "europeans" create "straw men" emulatorloo Jun 2013 #5

I love to see progressive take what wingers say WITHOUT... WITHOUT question... Regards uponit7771 Jun 2013 #6

you know you are on the right side of the argument when donald trump is on your side ;) Monkie Jun 2013 #13

I don't give a shit what birther donald trump has to say Cha Jun 2013 #16

Actually The Donald is cutting it both ways marions ghost Jun 2013 #21

Uh-oh! That is a bad sign for sure, being on the same side as Trump. brush Jun 2013 #176

As opposed to Glennn Beck leftynyc Jun 2013 #217

So you arent a progressive? What are you? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #115

Thank goodness you took the time to post. Brickbat Jun 2013 #7

+ a million. Number23 Jun 2013 #98

This is my favorite post of this thread, thus far....! nt MADem Jun 2013 #154

Hope you are having fun RobertEarl Jun 2013 #9

I hear you. Tuck your tail and bow your head for the fundie Right. Lower... Ash_F Jun 2013 #29

I'd rather go down with honor Aerows Jun 2013 #76

They don't seem to understand they are killing their chances of a Democratic majority in 2014 Ash_F Jun 2013 #77

Pretty much Aerows Jun 2013 #79

So ProSense Jun 2013 #10

i checked in here because i remembered the outrage about bush Monkie Jun 2013 #15

I hate it when ProSense Jun 2013 #17

indeed, wonderful use of semantics by that right winger Hague Monkie Jun 2013 #25

Global Coverage:.UKUSA Agreement DevonRex Jun 2013 #61

Onyx: The Swiss Echelon System. Yes, Switzerland! DevonRex Jun 2013 #63

So you decided to insult us. maindawg Jun 2013 #68

Good post, maindawg brush Jun 2013 #183

I hate it more when our country does it. I don't live there, I live here. But nice turn off the main sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #36

OMG, Frechelon even!! DevonRex Jun 2013 #64

HOLD ON BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #149

Another thing, ProSense Jun 2013 #20

so they made it legal, big big deal Monkie Jun 2013 #31

No, they didn't "make it legal" ProSense Jun 2013 #35

And then Congress saved him by making his lawlessness legal. You always forget that part. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #37

If DU is the last hope we have we are done for. n/t cui bono Jun 2013 #26

"you people" AsahinaKimi Jun 2013 #41

We will cover ourselves with sackcloth and ashes immediately! freshwest Jun 2013 #140

feel free to take some more time off olddots Jun 2013 #67

"You people...!!!!!" Could you be any more obvious? MADem Jun 2013 #155

MADem, oh, no uppity colonials, think they run the place. Bow to your ancestors! freshwest Jun 2013 #158

not content with defending the limitless spying on your friends, you are also the language police? Monkie Jun 2013 #171

Don't "you people" realize that words--and particular phrases--have specific meanings? MADem Jun 2013 #175

im sorry i had no idea? Monkie Jun 2013 #178

Sure. Whatever you say! MADem Jun 2013 #181

You missed insulting: "this place turn into freeperville" (quote from monkie) uppityperson Jun 2013 #23

Lots of inaccuracies in your post. Plus Google, Microsoft; Verizon are trending up on 5 day chart. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #11

Bwahahahaha...... zeemike Jun 2013 #57

;) BenzoDia Jun 2013 #62

Once you've stepped through the looking glass you find that there are many more Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #14

Oooof. Out comes the Eichmanns alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #18

Yeah, it was Churchill's way of saying they deserved to be burned alive, geek tragedy Jun 2013 #27

when the shoe fits? Monkie Jun 2013 #55

Yeah, it's a stupid expression, since Adolf Eichmann was deeply complicit and knowledgeable alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #80

I don't always post on DU, but when I do, MineralMan Jun 2013 #19

Stay quirky, my friend BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #30

+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #96

OMG, each post, better than the next! MADem Jun 2013 #157

It's embarrassing. Sorry. Laelth Jun 2013 #28

Thanks. Freedom. It's a big word, a vast concept all too JDPriestly Jun 2013 #32

Please define "fascism". What does that mean, in this context? pinto Jun 2013 #33

in my words? Monkie Jun 2013 #51

Excellent definition and reminder. zeemike Jun 2013 #60

Spot on Phlem Jun 2013 #66

+1 leftstreet Jun 2013 #132

Good explanation. Thanks. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #168

^^ Required reading ^^ harun Jun 2013 #188

How's that austerity working out for you? AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #34

Real Democrats though? NoOneMan Jun 2013 #38

Very well said and.... TRoN33 Jun 2013 #39

It is truly depressing. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #42

DURec...and thanks for posting a view from outside the bubble. bvar22 Jun 2013 #44

So True n/t warrant46 Jun 2013 #49

my apologies to those who dont close their eyes Monkie Jun 2013 #52

True, it must be hard to have to keep trying to defend the indensible so you have to sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #104

They have certainly worked themselves into an incoherent lather. bvar22 Jun 2013 #114

EU is going to stop using technology from US companies huh? JoePhilly Jun 2013 #45

Yes, because EU is so backward they don't know how to make things like that. zeemike Jun 2013 #65

Regardless of what you think about the OP... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #105

You are confusing the propaganda of 20 years ago with the world today. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #150

your post, by far, datasuspect Jun 2013 #173

Awe, you hurt my feelings. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #179

Uhhhh.... sibelian Jun 2013 #225

Well sweetie pie I'm telling them now that facism was brought to you buy republicans and their southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #48

as a former expat who lived in Germany LittleGirl Jun 2013 #53

Hi from the USA with no apology Progressive dog Jun 2013 #54

Thats OK. I love watching people who dont have the facts make judgments! nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #56

Steven, it's a mental version fast tracking, isn't it? n/t freshwest Jun 2013 #159

Britain Has Cameras EVERYWHERE otohara Jun 2013 #70

Monkie Business kenichol Jun 2013 #73

Standing up for privacy Aerows Jun 2013 #78

Hope and Change.....Its.. ITS A COOKBOOK!!!! markiv Jun 2013 #84

Nothing like being lectured on privacy from the land of ubiquitous cameras and warrantless searches Recursion Jun 2013 #85

That you would find ANY equivalency between legislatively authorized, court reviewed grantcart Jun 2013 #88

KILLED It, grantcart. Harsh but every word true. Number23 Jun 2013 #100

of course you think grantcart's unhinged hyperbole is just awesome. boilerbabe Jun 2013 #112

So let me get this straight, the OP posts from Europe and that's just grand Number23 Jun 2013 #113

You aren't sitting in the USA Aerows Jun 2013 #117

I don't give a damn if I am sitting on Pluto Number23 Jun 2013 #120

Oh, so this doesn't affect you Aerows Jun 2013 #121

I'm sure you'll be deleting this gem of utter moronity soon. Number23 Jun 2013 #122

I heard there is some Aerows Jun 2013 #123

Sounds like if anyone would know, it'd be you Number23 Jun 2013 #125

LOL Aerows Jun 2013 #128

Call it quits? This is the stupidest conversation in this forum and it has been intiated Number23 Jun 2013 #130

Well, if anyone is going to exacerbate Aerows Jun 2013 #131

Two sentences is a diatribe??! LOL Somebody just learned a new word! Number23 Jun 2013 #133

I wound you up tight Aerows Jun 2013 #134

Verbal Pugilism Aerows Jun 2013 #136

Neither is Greenwald...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #170

He won the thread, that's for sure. It's a sad thing to see the Idiocracy at DU. freshwest Jun 2013 #160

"It's a sad thing to see the Idiocracy at DU." Including my exchange above Number23 Jun 2013 #161

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #124

++ People here get a little "zealous" defending their heroes. DirkGently Jun 2013 #97

It will go on record that DUers shouted N O usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #103

This may sound strange to you, but many view points are being expressed here. Are you only still_one Jun 2013 #107

hey not all of us are politician groupies. there aren plenty of lefties pissed just not on DU. boilerbabe Jun 2013 #118

Real "democrats" don't side with Lindsey Graham. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #127

"Little Eichmanns" b.durruti Jun 2013 #135

Hey Monkie. Glad you posted, cause I'm watching DU from the exact same perspective BelgianMadCow Jun 2013 #137

I'm embarrassed knowing that people in other nations browse here and are able to see how easily DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #147

i have to believe there are people here who are paid to post positions which align them with ultra xiamiam Jun 2013 #232

Sadly, I can't disagree. Though, you are also living in a police state. n/t NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #138

I am surprised that a person can set foot in Europe without understanding what fascism is. nt bluestate10 Jun 2013 #141

We've had far worse. sibelian Jun 2013 #226

Europe, a land without upper case letters NoPasaran Jun 2013 #142

K&R'd! snot Jun 2013 #144

Your post is excellent, but please keep in mind woo me with science Jun 2013 #146

The back and forth is very important to them. sibelian Jun 2013 #172

I will tell them that I went with others now on DU to Sen Wellstones office kickysnana Jun 2013 #148

Was the German Democratic Republic fascist? BainsBane Jun 2013 #151

One favor, please (maybe it's already begun?). Start a movement for refugee status Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #152

"how do you think it looks to the world when a whistleblower feels safer in china than in the usa?" Cha Jun 2013 #166

Boy did you draw fire or what? fasttense Jun 2013 #167

Oh, and p.s., care to explain the difference in Free Speech between the US and Euro zone countries? stevenleser Jun 2013 #169

heard of the term whataboutery? this thread is about your government spying on me Monkie Jun 2013 #177

If you don't want to discuss civil liberties don't bring them up stevenleser Jun 2013 #182

the difference in free speech has nothing to do with limitless spying on your allies Monkie Jun 2013 #187

"there are considerable differences between the USA and ... europe concerning... Free Speech" stevenleser Jun 2013 #206

you are lying and this thread was about your governments limitless spying on its allies Monkie Jun 2013 #221

Nope, I'm not, and you know it. You have no standing to talk civil liberties. When you stevenleser Jun 2013 #228

i see elsewhere you are crowing that a torture apologist is going to smear snowdon Monkie Jun 2013 #229

I pulled this quote from "Time." brush Jun 2013 #192

What I tell my children proudly... Bonobo Jun 2013 #202

+1,000,000 n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #236

This is good to put out to the public, the somnolent public tavalon Jun 2013 #214

+1 nt Javaman Jun 2013 #218

I worked for the NSA FairWinds Jun 2013 #220

I'm heaven05 Jun 2013 #222

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jun 2013 #224

in other words you are putting words in my mouth, address the issue! Monkie Jun 2013 #227

Excellent Post pmorlan1 Jun 2013 #231

Many poor Amer. have been speaking ... mntleo2 Jun 2013 #235

I'm with you 100% duuser5822 Jun 2013 #240

+1 uppityperson Jun 2013 #242

Hello there, you made a lot of good points, however, Europe is not a akbacchus_BC Jun 2013 #241