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marions ghost

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26. "The Demon is Dead; So Are Many of Our Rights"
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 10:20 AM
Jun 2013
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2011-05-02-Reflect-on-lost-civil-liberties_n.htm

Excellent article by Jonathan Turley
--legal scholar, writer, commentator, and legal analyst in broadcast and print journalism.
(More at link)

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"The death of Osama bin Laden has left the United States with a type of morning-after effect. For 10 years, an ever-expanding war on terror has been defined by one central dark figure: Osama bin Laden. It is perhaps not surprising that in a celebrity-driven society, even our wars seemed personality driven. For many, Iraq was about Saddam Hussein. Afghanistan was about Osama bin Laden. With both of these defining figures gone, however, it is time to take account of what has been lost, and what has been gained.

For civil libertarians, the legacy of bin Laden is most troubling because it shows how the greatest injuries from terror are often self-inflicted. Bin Laden's twisted notion of success was not the bringing down of two buildings in New York or the partial destruction of the Pentagon. It was how the response to those attacks by the United States resulted in our abandonment of core principles and values in the "war on terror." Many of the most lasting impacts of this ill-defined war were felt domestically, not internationally.

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If bin Laden wanted to change America, he succeeded. Bush officials were quick to claim that our laws and even our Constitution made us vulnerable to attack — even though later investigations showed that the attacks could have been prevented under existing laws. Despite the negligence of agencies such as the FBI and CIA in allowing the attacks, those same agencies were given unprecedented power and budgets in the aftermath of 9/11.

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The death of bin Laden is not the marker of an end of a period but a reminder that there is no end to this period. For those who have long wanted expansion of presidential powers and the limitation of constitutional rights, bin Laden gave them an irresistible opportunity to reshape this country — and the expectations of our citizens. We now accept thousands of security cameras in public places, intrusive physical searches and expanding police powers as the new reality of American life. The privacy that once defined this nation is now viewed as a quaint, if not naive, concept. Police power works like the release of gas in a closed space: expand the space and the gas fills it. It is rare in history to see ground lost in civil liberties be regained through concessions of power by the government. Our terrorism laws have transcended bin Laden and even 9/11. They have become the status quo. That is the greatest tragedy of bin Laden's legacy — not what he did to us, but what we have done to ourselves.

Jonathan Turley, the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University
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Bin Laden won. [View all] Faryn Balyncd Jun 2013 OP
...a deep sea dirt nap. nt onehandle Jun 2013 #1
yep In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #2
Is fear less self destructive if its object is inanimate? Faryn Balyncd Jun 2013 #14
What could you possibly mean by that? What was Bin Ladin's goals? el_bryanto Jun 2013 #3
Google is your resource. He was pretty straightforward. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #10
He wanted to create a fascist America? That was his goal? nt el_bryanto Jun 2013 #15
I cannot address his goals Angelonthesidelines Jun 2013 #34
No.. Al Quaeda had 2 goals with 9/11 SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #39
Mass paranoia. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #42
from 2001-8 he did. In Jan. 2009 he lost big time. graham4anything Jun 2013 #4
What did he win? lunatica Jun 2013 #5
. . . when Bush broke the Republic, and nobody has tried to fix it leveymg Jun 2013 #6
bin Laden had nothing to do with it. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #7
true Faryn Balyncd Jun 2013 #8
Exactly. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #9
the mulit-national fascists won tk2kewl Jun 2013 #12
Global fascists/authoritarians and who do you think the bin Ladens are? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #17
bin laden was just their useful tool. nt Javaman Jun 2013 #30
That is the best response to this post gtar100 Jun 2013 #33
Years ago, under the idiot son. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #11
Posting that probably put you on a list. JW2020 Jun 2013 #13
Long suspected Skinner and EarlG are NSA. DU is a honey trap operation to collect data emulatorloo Jun 2013 #18
You don't think Secret Service and the FBI monitor this board? JW2020 Jun 2013 #20
Suspected that the first day I joined, and I just don't give a shit. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #24
Personally I think they are more interested in Freeperville Sheepshank Jun 2013 #28
There is no list Angelonthesidelines Jun 2013 #41
The National E-mail Lotto? dr.strangelove Jun 2013 #16
So that herbal viagra stuff really works? emulatorloo Jun 2013 #19
Yup, in the Race To Become Fish Food he scored a clear victory. 11 Bravo Jun 2013 #21
Oh bullshit. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #22
Clueless denial is also! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #36
I think some of us said he would if the PA were passed. sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #23
If the President decides to come out against the NSA's data-collection ... Laelth Jun 2013 #25
"The Demon is Dead; So Are Many of Our Rights" marions ghost Jun 2013 #26
+1. And, the race to nearly bankrupt the Republic in endless war. SomeGuyInEagan Jun 2013 #31
Drama much? n/t Sheepshank Jun 2013 #27
Nope. Carnage251 Jun 2013 #29
Tssk... ForeignandDomestic Jun 2013 #32
It amazes me so many people do not realize this! Every time.... Logical Jun 2013 #35
+1 So true. nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #40
Bush gave him everything he demanded. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #37
On the day we invaded Iraq, yes he did. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #38
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