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61. Ben Franklin was also more thoughtful than many of the apologists of today too!...

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:57 PM

Jun 2013

Please think about it people! We live in a different world today. That is true. But that doesn't mean we should be giving up our liberties. We are destined to a totalitarian state if we don't wake the F' up! We've been warned many times!

From:
http://www.whatourforefathersthought.com/Quotes.html

Many times he as reiterated the same thoughts on this topic in these quotes...

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.”

”He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.”

”He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.”

”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.”

”If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both.”

”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”

”He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.”

”Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.”

”Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.”

Ben Franklin

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What the heck was going through their brains? [View all] MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 OP

They didn't want to replicate what they had spent the past few years fighting against. sadbear Jun 2013 #1

yours is a pre-9/11 mindset burnodo Jun 2013 #2

" and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause" Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #3

And the probable cause was, what, exactly? Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #9

You owned a telephone. kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #16

Got a cheap Casio watch? You're al Qaeda! OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #33

Very important distinction PDittie Jun 2013 #58

I don't think it was declined, I think it was withdrawn. reusrename Jun 2013 #64

The probable cause is that we have been spying on 300 million Americans and we have GoneFishin Jun 2013 #73

Over a year later, and cali_democrat hasn't answered your question veveto Aug 2014 #74

The rest of the sentence makes me think the Founding Fathers expected slightly more specificity. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #10

Well isn't it the job of the independent judiciary to interpret the law Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #24

Authoritarians argue that it's legal. Maedhros Jun 2013 #47

Yes, and then there is this court decision. ProSense Jun 2013 #17

African Americans are not citizens. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #40

Didn't it take a war and constitutional amendments to overturn Dred Scott? Progressive dog Jun 2013 #71

Not quite what happened, I think MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #72

Educate yourself. 99Forever Jun 2013 #60

Education is NOT the problem in this case. bvar22 Jun 2013 #65

so what was the probable cause? backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #51

These are FISA warrants Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #56

The taste of tyranny takes generations to go away. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #4

First of all, you want to believe Snowden without corroboration. randome Jun 2013 #5

Right, the fourth doesn't mention computers and phones, so it shouldn't apply, right? X_Digger Jun 2013 #8

It applies in the context of the 21st century, not the 18th! randome Jun 2013 #11

May your chains set lightly upon you.. X_Digger Jun 2013 #15

+1 Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #35

Perfect Quote! BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #53

Ben Franklin was also more thoughtful than many of the apologists of today too!... cascadiance Jun 2013 #61

+100 nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #63

+1 leftstreet Jun 2013 #67

Absolutely PERFECT response to those who would discount our concerns for perceived partisan gain. bvar22 Jun 2013 #69

Here's a crazy notion noise Jun 2013 #26

We have no one but ourselves to blame. sadbear Jun 2013 #14

Best get to amending then. TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #30

I'm not a linguist or a philosopher... sadbear Jun 2013 #31

"Fundamentalist constitution crap "...that's a mouth full. I believe the Constitution snappyturtle Jun 2013 #50

+1000 Manny. dkf Jun 2013 #6

Compared to Hoover's COINTELPRO, this is geek tragedy Jun 2013 #20

Please don't depress me further with more intrusion and wrongdoing. dkf Jun 2013 #22

Intrusion and wrongdoing has been a constant geek tragedy Jun 2013 #23

All that crap they feed us about our rights...it's just a fairy tale isn't it? dkf Jun 2013 #29

We have a winner! xtraxritical Jun 2013 #41

I cannot believe you are just figuring this out. Rex Jun 2013 #70

+1 Rex Jun 2013 #68

What would FDR have done? Lincoln? BTW, you can have Tebow. What are the Patriots thinking? nt graham4anything Jun 2013 #7

They were probably thinking Ryan is a buffoon... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #21

If the Pats took on Tebow... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #37

The Tebow thing is pretty weird. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #44

Thankfully we got rid of him! graham4anything Jun 2013 #57

They knew that... 99Forever Jun 2013 #12

But but but ....... wilsonbooks Jun 2013 #13

"unreasonable" "probable cause" yodermon Jun 2013 #18

Same guys passed the Alien and Sedition Acts. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #19

Adams was a bit of a fascist sometimes. But MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #28

Nobody needs to know squat about any of my phone calls. JEB Jun 2013 #25

Kicked, recommended and is if that wasn't bad enough it's even worse, Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #27

You just don't understand the "sensible, reality based community" because Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #32

I love the terra-ists and hate the troops. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #39

Traitors and terrorists, all of them long-haired hippies. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #54

Agreed. Phlem Jun 2013 #34

You know the answer, Manny... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #36

That was the cool thing about The Founders MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #38

Our founders were aware of what tyranny could do. They were trying to get away from it. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #42

Our current "masters" have no sense of right and wrong MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #43

In the long run they wont win. Their greed will get the best of them. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #45

Yes, very unusual... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #49

Those Founding Fathers had their heads so far up in the clouds 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #46

Hey, I vote for the good old.... ReRe Jun 2013 #48

Manny, you hit another home run! avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #52

Nah, the Founders did. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #55

A NATION OF LAWS NOT PEOPLE Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #59

Simple, the PNAC vision indepat Jun 2013 #62

They been doing it since Hoover. Rex Jun 2013 #66