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bvar22

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65. Education is NOT the problem in this case.

Reply to 99Forever (Reply #60)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:01 PM

Jun 2013

The problem lies elsewhere.

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What the heck was going through their brains? [View all] MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 OP

They didn't want to replicate what they had spent the past few years fighting against. sadbear Jun 2013 #1

yours is a pre-9/11 mindset burnodo Jun 2013 #2

" and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause" Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #3

And the probable cause was, what, exactly? Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #9

You owned a telephone. kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #16

Got a cheap Casio watch? You're al Qaeda! OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #33

Very important distinction PDittie Jun 2013 #58

I don't think it was declined, I think it was withdrawn. reusrename Jun 2013 #64

The probable cause is that we have been spying on 300 million Americans and we have GoneFishin Jun 2013 #73

Over a year later, and cali_democrat hasn't answered your question veveto Aug 2014 #74

The rest of the sentence makes me think the Founding Fathers expected slightly more specificity. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #10

Well isn't it the job of the independent judiciary to interpret the law Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #24

Authoritarians argue that it's legal. Maedhros Jun 2013 #47

Yes, and then there is this court decision. ProSense Jun 2013 #17

African Americans are not citizens. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #40

Didn't it take a war and constitutional amendments to overturn Dred Scott? Progressive dog Jun 2013 #71

Not quite what happened, I think MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #72

Educate yourself. 99Forever Jun 2013 #60

Education is NOT the problem in this case. bvar22 Jun 2013 #65

so what was the probable cause? backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #51

These are FISA warrants Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #56

The taste of tyranny takes generations to go away. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #4

First of all, you want to believe Snowden without corroboration. randome Jun 2013 #5

Right, the fourth doesn't mention computers and phones, so it shouldn't apply, right? X_Digger Jun 2013 #8

It applies in the context of the 21st century, not the 18th! randome Jun 2013 #11

May your chains set lightly upon you.. X_Digger Jun 2013 #15

+1 Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #35

Perfect Quote! BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #53

Ben Franklin was also more thoughtful than many of the apologists of today too!... cascadiance Jun 2013 #61

+100 nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #63

+1 leftstreet Jun 2013 #67

Absolutely PERFECT response to those who would discount our concerns for perceived partisan gain. bvar22 Jun 2013 #69

Here's a crazy notion noise Jun 2013 #26

We have no one but ourselves to blame. sadbear Jun 2013 #14

Best get to amending then. TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #30

I'm not a linguist or a philosopher... sadbear Jun 2013 #31

"Fundamentalist constitution crap "...that's a mouth full. I believe the Constitution snappyturtle Jun 2013 #50

+1000 Manny. dkf Jun 2013 #6

Compared to Hoover's COINTELPRO, this is geek tragedy Jun 2013 #20

Please don't depress me further with more intrusion and wrongdoing. dkf Jun 2013 #22

Intrusion and wrongdoing has been a constant geek tragedy Jun 2013 #23

All that crap they feed us about our rights...it's just a fairy tale isn't it? dkf Jun 2013 #29

We have a winner! xtraxritical Jun 2013 #41

I cannot believe you are just figuring this out. Rex Jun 2013 #70

+1 Rex Jun 2013 #68

What would FDR have done? Lincoln? BTW, you can have Tebow. What are the Patriots thinking? nt graham4anything Jun 2013 #7

They were probably thinking Ryan is a buffoon... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #21

If the Pats took on Tebow... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #37

The Tebow thing is pretty weird. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #44

Thankfully we got rid of him! graham4anything Jun 2013 #57

They knew that... 99Forever Jun 2013 #12

But but but ....... wilsonbooks Jun 2013 #13

"unreasonable" "probable cause" yodermon Jun 2013 #18

Same guys passed the Alien and Sedition Acts. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #19

Adams was a bit of a fascist sometimes. But MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #28

Nobody needs to know squat about any of my phone calls. JEB Jun 2013 #25

Kicked, recommended and is if that wasn't bad enough it's even worse, Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #27

You just don't understand the "sensible, reality based community" because Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #32

I love the terra-ists and hate the troops. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #39

Traitors and terrorists, all of them long-haired hippies. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #54

Agreed. Phlem Jun 2013 #34

You know the answer, Manny... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #36

That was the cool thing about The Founders MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #38

Our founders were aware of what tyranny could do. They were trying to get away from it. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #42

Our current "masters" have no sense of right and wrong MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #43

In the long run they wont win. Their greed will get the best of them. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #45

Yes, very unusual... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #49

Those Founding Fathers had their heads so far up in the clouds 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #46

Hey, I vote for the good old.... ReRe Jun 2013 #48

Manny, you hit another home run! avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #52

Nah, the Founders did. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #55

A NATION OF LAWS NOT PEOPLE Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #59

Simple, the PNAC vision indepat Jun 2013 #62

They been doing it since Hoover. Rex Jun 2013 #66