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In reply to the discussion: We are being manipulated to miss the point. [View all]usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)5. the debate is about the right of the government to preemptively harvest and store ALL our
communications WITHOUT probable cause.
That appears to be a clear violation of the 4th amendment and why the SCOTUS has been avoiding dealing with it.
But thanks to the recent revelations, we may now be able to bring a court case forward as the names of individuals being spied upon were also released by Snowden.
BTW: That law you site is from 1979, and does not cover the harvesting and storing of ALL communications.
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Exactly, this has nothing to do with "terrorism", and all to do with the new corporate police-state.
Civilization2
Jun 2013
#69
First of all, even if the local authorities are doing worse doesnt justify the NSA doing the same.
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#92
Checking your cell phone to see if you've been in a place that serves liquor (nt)
Babel_17
Jun 2013
#83
the debate is about the right of the government to preemptively harvest and store ALL our
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#5
True and that ruling doesn't cover what we are talking about today
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#48
+1. Smith v. Maryland, 442 U.S. 735 (1979) - No warrant required for call metadata
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#51
You need to read Smith v Maryland where it doesn't actually say that, or at least # 3 above.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#58
Look at guns, when the 2nd was written, they were talking about cannons and such.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#89
Just tired of right-wing idiocy being thrown out in quantities suitable to yahoo or
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#74
Awww, having a bad day, or just want to show everyone what league you really should be in? n/t
A Simple Game
Jun 2013
#66
I'm sorry, did you have a point, or is it just a need to defend wrong? n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#75
Snark that makes the point is grist for the mill. What would be DU w/o snark...
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#96
sorry Woo...it's all ok cuz the courts have said it's "legal" according to them only nt
msongs
Jun 2013
#10
The courts said slavery was legal, and black people weren't human beings.
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#20
There is a question as to whether a person has a right of privacy to a LOG of activities.
Honeycombe8
Jun 2013
#11
Well, we do know that we don't own the Internet, so that by not 'owning' it...
Amonester
Jun 2013
#12
K&R! I cannot believe anyone here, ANYONE, would even suggest the suspension
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#14
Good luck getting n answer to that question. I have asked, but got the run around mostly.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#30
Absolutely! I said yesterday that we should 'follow the money' to find out why they are keeping
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#42
Sadly, don't you also get the feeling that we will never get that investigation?
truedelphi
Jun 2013
#43
Well, they may be forced to do something, but I am not stupid enough to think that if they are
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#44
What has happened to this country? Where's the outrage from the ABA? Or from other Bar Associations?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#34
You kidding? If anyone can tell which way the wind is blowing, it's attorneys. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#39
all I've learned this week is that we should save our rage and aim it at the next Repub president.
piratefish08
Jun 2013
#50
Why not just never elect another Bush, that would be more productive of course.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#52
"we need new guidance from the SCOTUS"? What if the SCOTUS is in the tank on this one?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#60
Sooner or later, the general public is going to learn that Justice Kagan was opposed to
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#62
Think this is bad? This is the same government that claims the right to KILL Americans...
Demo_Chris
Jun 2013
#71
Not to stir up trouble, but what do we, the little guys, do about this?
WHEN CRABS ROAR
Jun 2013
#76
Big brother probably has probable cause to believe if billions of communications are harvested and
indepat
Jun 2013
#97
I was pissed when W started this shit...now obama continues it...im terrified....
CarrieLynne
Jun 2013
#98
We are being manipulated to disregard the CONSTITUTION. I'm stunned and ashamed at some reactions.
chimpymustgo
Jun 2013
#99