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Egalitarian Thug

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37. Except that, in your example, they did.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 02:08 AM
Jun 2013

There is some wisdom in playing in your own league until you develop the skills to move up.

DU isn't the bigs, but it's apparently a couple of levels above your current skills.

We are being manipulated to miss the point. [View all] woo me with science Jun 2013 OP
They're trying to find probable cause. And that crosses a line. Gregorian Jun 2013 #1
How else will they nineteen50 Jun 2013 #65
Exactly, this has nothing to do with "terrorism", and all to do with the new corporate police-state. Civilization2 Jun 2013 #69
They control protest & real descent by... SkyDaddy7 Jun 2013 #77
Keep telling yourself that. nineteen50 Jun 2013 #79
Please prove me wrong?!?! SkyDaddy7 Jun 2013 #80
What do you think happened to nineteen50 Jun 2013 #82
First of all, even if the local authorities are doing worse doesnt justify the NSA doing the same. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #92
Ahhh, Local Police Forces do not have those capabilities, bvar22 Jun 2013 #94
Checking your cell phone to see if you've been in a place that serves liquor (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2013 #83
Nobody is saying that you broke any laws, what we're saying is... dkf Jun 2013 #2
Actually, ProSense Jun 2013 #3
the debate is about the right of the government to preemptively harvest and store ALL our usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #5
The date of a court decision isn't much of a factor in US jurisprudence. cheapdate Jun 2013 #25
Here's a link to the full-text opinion of Smith v. Maryland, 1855 AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #31
That description of the precedent established in Smith v. Maryland, 1855 cheapdate Jun 2013 #56
1979 - Smith v. Maryland, 442 U.S. 735 (1979)? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #35
But if the American people are smart enough to stand up truedelphi Jun 2013 #38
It's up to the People to object marions ghost Jun 2013 #53
True and that ruling doesn't cover what we are talking about today usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #48
+1. Smith v. Maryland, 442 U.S. 735 (1979) - No warrant required for call metadata graham4anything Jun 2013 #51
You need to read Smith v Maryland where it doesn't actually say that, or at least # 3 above. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #58
1979. That was long before the government had this massive JDPriestly Jun 2013 #88
Look at guns, when the 2nd was written, they were talking about cannons and such. graham4anything Jun 2013 #89
Thanks for illustrating the ops point. L0oniX Jun 2013 #64
Can't help but notice Android3.14 Jun 2013 #68
Founding fathers explicitly sanctioned JaneyVee Jun 2013 #4
LOL. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #8
Founding fathers explicitly outlawed brett_jv Jun 2013 #13
Except that, in your example, they did. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #37
WTF? CrispyQ Jun 2013 #57
Just tired of right-wing idiocy being thrown out in quantities suitable to yahoo or Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #74
Got it. CrispyQ Jun 2013 #101
Awww, having a bad day, or just want to show everyone what league you really should be in? n/t A Simple Game Jun 2013 #66
I'm sorry, did you have a point, or is it just a need to defend wrong? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #75
I'm sorry you seem to have misunderstood, I wasn't defending you. n/t A Simple Game Jun 2013 #90
When all else fails go to the snark. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #93
Snark that makes the point is grist for the mill. What would be DU w/o snark... Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #96
I'll bet Benjamin Frankin is spinning in his grave dflprincess Jun 2013 #6
I think we just solved the world's energy crisis! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #19
Apparently some people enjoy taking a crap on the Constitution. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #7
Probably cause PARTICULARLY DESCRIBING the things to be seized. snot Jun 2013 #9
sorry Woo...it's all ok cuz the courts have said it's "legal" according to them only nt msongs Jun 2013 #10
The courts said slavery was legal, and black people weren't human beings. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #20
There is a question as to whether a person has a right of privacy to a LOG of activities. Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #11
Well, we do know that we don't own the Internet, so that by not 'owning' it... Amonester Jun 2013 #12
No, it has not ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #18
Like, if YOU don't want anyone to sneek on what you consider YOUR privacy... Amonester Jun 2013 #24
"...is pretty easily argued as being the property of the phone company..." Volaris Jun 2013 #29
Seems pretty clear to me... zeemike Jun 2013 #21
K&R! I cannot believe anyone here, ANYONE, would even suggest the suspension Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #14
Thank you. Very well said. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #16
Things will not be made right unless and until they erase the database. reformist2 Jun 2013 #15
The 4th Amendment Has Been On Life Support For A Long Time DallasNE Jun 2013 #17
Not to mention all of the bullshit searches at the LibDemAlways Jun 2013 #23
The government sanctioned feel-ups, even random ones, are outrageous. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #32
Being forced into an x-ray or feel up, with no LibDemAlways Jun 2013 #36
And meanwhile, the Saudi family that had supported Mohammed Atta truedelphi Jun 2013 #40
Even WORSE when they've PLANTED the joint in your pocket. Amonester Jun 2013 #26
K&R suffragette Jun 2013 #22
Probable cause is awfully "wobbly" Scootaloo Jun 2013 #27
DURec leftstreet Jun 2013 #28
Good luck getting n answer to that question. I have asked, but got the run around mostly. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #30
And don't you get the feeling that a lot of this is being done truedelphi Jun 2013 #41
Absolutely! I said yesterday that we should 'follow the money' to find out why they are keeping sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #42
Sadly, don't you also get the feeling that we will never get that investigation? truedelphi Jun 2013 #43
Well, they may be forced to do something, but I am not stupid enough to think that if they are sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #44
And Clapper was appointed Director of NSA by.... wait for it.... Melinda Jun 2013 #72
Case law Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #33
What Does "Effects" Mean In The 4th Amendment DallasNE Jun 2013 #45
I'd say effects means 'personal property' Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #63
What has happened to this country? Where's the outrage from the ABA? Or from other Bar Associations? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #34
You kidding? If anyone can tell which way the wind is blowing, it's attorneys. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #39
The Communist Menace has become the Islamist Menace octoberlib Jun 2013 #46
Well said - An excellent OP TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #47
k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #49
all I've learned this week is that we should save our rage and aim it at the next Repub president. piratefish08 Jun 2013 #50
Why not just never elect another Bush, that would be more productive of course. graham4anything Jun 2013 #52
I'm not aware of efforts to distance the 4th Amendment from the argument. joshcryer Jun 2013 #54
Hmm ... Laelth Jun 2013 #55
"we need new guidance from the SCOTUS"? What if the SCOTUS is in the tank on this one? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #60
They may be. Laelth Jun 2013 #61
Sooner or later, the general public is going to learn that Justice Kagan was opposed to AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #62
Oh, but woo, we're being told that people who live in the "real world" Zorra Jun 2013 #59
I find your 4th amendment analysis facile, like 2nd amendment analysis msanthrope Jun 2013 #67
It is as though the current folks in Washington Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #70
Think this is bad? This is the same government that claims the right to KILL Americans... Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #71
well... Locrian Jun 2013 #73
Not to stir up trouble, but what do we, the little guys, do about this? WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #76
I think many people around here never took civics, felix_numinous Jun 2013 #78
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #81
"On what probable cause does the US government have the right...?" Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #84
Ah, memories! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #85
Am I missing something or is this generational? sevenseas Jun 2013 #86
I have it on good authority that a lot of that fear in the fifties WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #87
Don't trust the apologists/cheerleaders/sock puppets. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #91
What this guy said. ^ bvar22 Jun 2013 #95
Big brother probably has probable cause to believe if billions of communications are harvested and indepat Jun 2013 #97
I was pissed when W started this shit...now obama continues it...im terrified.... CarrieLynne Jun 2013 #98
We are being manipulated to disregard the CONSTITUTION. I'm stunned and ashamed at some reactions. chimpymustgo Jun 2013 #99
FIGHT THIS Canuckistanian Jun 2013 #100
Thank you. K&R nt TBF Jun 2013 #102
Now this is a balanced response. kitt6 Jun 2013 #103
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