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In reply to the discussion: We are being manipulated to miss the point. [View all]truedelphi
(32,324 posts)41. And don't you get the feeling that a lot of this is being done
So the folks in the loop (Like Sen Di Feinstein and her Richard Blum Sweetums) can make another killing off government contracts?
See my reply number 36 above which demonstrates how the government really is not about caring about Nine Eleven or the REAL BAD GUYS. It's is us schmucks that matter as targets of their surveillance - the 290 million of us who are not well connected enough to matter, and who get probed at the airports, hassled by police etc. With 290 million of us to target, it means an ever expanding budget.
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Exactly, this has nothing to do with "terrorism", and all to do with the new corporate police-state.
Civilization2
Jun 2013
#69
First of all, even if the local authorities are doing worse doesnt justify the NSA doing the same.
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#92
Checking your cell phone to see if you've been in a place that serves liquor (nt)
Babel_17
Jun 2013
#83
the debate is about the right of the government to preemptively harvest and store ALL our
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#5
True and that ruling doesn't cover what we are talking about today
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#48
+1. Smith v. Maryland, 442 U.S. 735 (1979) - No warrant required for call metadata
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#51
You need to read Smith v Maryland where it doesn't actually say that, or at least # 3 above.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#58
Look at guns, when the 2nd was written, they were talking about cannons and such.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#89
Just tired of right-wing idiocy being thrown out in quantities suitable to yahoo or
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#74
Awww, having a bad day, or just want to show everyone what league you really should be in? n/t
A Simple Game
Jun 2013
#66
I'm sorry, did you have a point, or is it just a need to defend wrong? n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#75
Snark that makes the point is grist for the mill. What would be DU w/o snark...
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#96
sorry Woo...it's all ok cuz the courts have said it's "legal" according to them only nt
msongs
Jun 2013
#10
The courts said slavery was legal, and black people weren't human beings.
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#20
There is a question as to whether a person has a right of privacy to a LOG of activities.
Honeycombe8
Jun 2013
#11
Well, we do know that we don't own the Internet, so that by not 'owning' it...
Amonester
Jun 2013
#12
K&R! I cannot believe anyone here, ANYONE, would even suggest the suspension
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#14
Good luck getting n answer to that question. I have asked, but got the run around mostly.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#30
Absolutely! I said yesterday that we should 'follow the money' to find out why they are keeping
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#42
Sadly, don't you also get the feeling that we will never get that investigation?
truedelphi
Jun 2013
#43
Well, they may be forced to do something, but I am not stupid enough to think that if they are
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#44
What has happened to this country? Where's the outrage from the ABA? Or from other Bar Associations?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#34
You kidding? If anyone can tell which way the wind is blowing, it's attorneys. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#39
all I've learned this week is that we should save our rage and aim it at the next Repub president.
piratefish08
Jun 2013
#50
Why not just never elect another Bush, that would be more productive of course.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#52
"we need new guidance from the SCOTUS"? What if the SCOTUS is in the tank on this one?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#60
Sooner or later, the general public is going to learn that Justice Kagan was opposed to
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#62
Think this is bad? This is the same government that claims the right to KILL Americans...
Demo_Chris
Jun 2013
#71
Not to stir up trouble, but what do we, the little guys, do about this?
WHEN CRABS ROAR
Jun 2013
#76
Big brother probably has probable cause to believe if billions of communications are harvested and
indepat
Jun 2013
#97
I was pissed when W started this shit...now obama continues it...im terrified....
CarrieLynne
Jun 2013
#98
We are being manipulated to disregard the CONSTITUTION. I'm stunned and ashamed at some reactions.
chimpymustgo
Jun 2013
#99