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Yukari Yakumo

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174. No.

Wed Jun 12, 2013, 02:39 PM

Jun 2013

Because they way you present it so unrealistically simplified it only serves to encourage the paranoia and fear-mongering of naive libertarians. But it is not the truth. You see, it's a two-tier process. The first, the one everyone is in a mass panic over, collects virtually everything. But do you seriously believe anyone could organize the sheer manpower and infrastructure to go though it all? Give me a break. Furthermore, the second stage, is the retrieval of said data and that is restricted and requires a justifiable cause to do so.

Truth is, all you making are stale, old strawman arguments that do not hold up to any scrutiny.

Oh, and the reason it took so long to get OBL? Because the e-mails didn't tell where he was, but his courier did. And identifying who that courier was key to taking OBL down.

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What If Richard Nixon Had Had Your E-Mail Password? [View all] Alan Grayson Jun 2013 OP

woah, just a wee bit over the top, no? Whisp Jun 2013 #1

Yeah, FEAR is the fucking order of the day.. some are jumping on that bandwagon Cha Jun 2013 #10

I would like to know Whisp Jun 2013 #15

I don't think that's in the realm of possibility.. but, that's a Cha Jun 2013 #17

Good question. Andy823 Jun 2013 #35

Why he would use the same supernatural powers attributed to Obama and Super Chicken to fight........ wandy Jun 2013 #42

Al Franken is eating real well today, but not the family he voted to reduce there meager food midnight Jun 2013 #177

It's not that simple but you can take action. Maraya1969 Jun 2013 #192

Thank you for this thoughtful take on a thoughtless cut.... midnight Jun 2013 #211

I thought so too... but they're doing it anyway. DCKit Jun 2013 #12

Amen to that! nt Andy823 Jun 2013 #30

Yeah loyalsister Jun 2013 #37

I didn't get that part about Nixon eating spaghetti with his hands in North Korea? n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #40

Maybe Grayson's staffers were into the Chablis tonight... SidDithers Jun 2013 #45

Ha! greytdemocrat Jun 2013 #134

Just cant help yourself. Go for the ridicule. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #179

C'mon. That missive is an open invitation to ridicule... SidDithers Jun 2013 #181

Interesting how you always seem to be able to justify ridicule. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #182

Seriously. "Are we going to ban forks and knives? And if so, then how will we eat spaghetti?"... SidDithers Jun 2013 #184

Anything to deflect the discussion. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #185

Right. My laughing kept this thread from reaching almost 200 replies... SidDithers Jun 2013 #186

Funny thing but those that support Grayson are fighting for an end to spying on Americans. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #189

I don't think laughing is a good response to being spied on. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #212

Interesting that you choose Sen Sanders as your avatar. Did you see what he thinks about Snowden? rhett o rick Jun 2013 #232

I chose this avatar because one asshat told another DUer... SidDithers Jun 2013 #233

That's exactly what I thought. Why didnt you just stick your tongue out? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #234

I did. I even made rude hand gestures...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #235

Is that what's it all about, just an invitation to ridicule? WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #209

Yes it is treestar Jun 2013 #64

apparently Mao did! Whisp Jun 2013 #68

I've been emailing pictures to Chairman Mao treestar Jun 2013 #69

It's gonna be all right. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #164

No, it is, considering what is going on, very restrained. I am happy to see our Democrats sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #94

I agree, I'm pleased to have Wyden as my Sen. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #214

I agree. He IS a great person, as well! mbperrin Jun 2013 #217

+1 Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #139

Thank you for saying it well. mbperrin Jun 2013 #218

Nixon can have my passwords. He's stone fucking dead NightWatcher Jun 2013 #2

. one_voice Jun 2013 #54

Definitely not East Germany. They had healthcare and jobs n/t leftstreet Jun 2013 #3

thank you Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #4

Signed the petition, gladly. Thank you so much for fighting the good fight. nt DLevine Jun 2013 #5

Does your "Mind Your Own Business Act" include corporation data mining as well? n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #6

And, thank you, Whisp. Cha Jun 2013 #11

"Sign my petition" is the new "give me your address to sell" NightWatcher Jun 2013 #14

Yep Andy823 Jun 2013 #32

So Grayson is also mining data in his own way? KittyWampus Jun 2013 #91

Did he secretly monitor your phone and email, or DID HE ASK YOU PUBLICLY sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #95

Yeah, it's no more ridiculous than Grayson's post. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #96

Much more than the violations of our 4th Amendment rights has been revealed by these leaks. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #99

"Do you understand the difference now?"... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #162

I hope not. JoeyT Jun 2013 #75

Congress, notably Republicans, can't even get the TSA to stop forcing me to remove my shoes. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #7

Are you suggesting that Nixon is a Time Traveling Dalek? Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #8

Exterminate! Exterminate! nt bunnies Jun 2013 #28

I would have have made his Enemies List, for sure pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #9

Signed, Shared, Kicked, Recommended, And Thank You Congressman Grayson !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #13

that's why it's important people like Nixon, Reagan , Bush etc don't become President JI7 Jun 2013 #16

Pre-Cisely, J. Cha Jun 2013 #18

And yet they all were Presidents. Autumn Jun 2013 #26

And the GOP is doing everything within their power to put another ReThug in the WH siligut Jun 2013 #48

There is a much better way to accomplish that. bvar22 Jun 2013 #196

Thank you! mbperrin Jun 2013 #219

I like this. nt limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #19

Ditto. Congressman Grayson is an American hero for taking on & winning against the contractors Divine Discontent Jun 2013 #119

+100! n/t arthritisR_US Jun 2013 #123

I totally agree! It's an honor that he posts here. R B Garr Jun 2013 #228

I Wonder If Rep. Grayson Has Ever Been Under A Bus? Liberal_Dog Jun 2013 #20

If he hasn't, he is now. Autumn Jun 2013 #23

He can always ask the President what living under the bus is like. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #34

Kneeling before his highness with head bowed, of course. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #58

I'm not sure which highness you mean. Seems to be two we are talking about. Whisp Jun 2013 #62

The one you're slamming the Congressman for daring to speak ill of. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #65

but slamming democratic politicians is good sport here, isn't it? Whisp Jun 2013 #66

Some things transcend party, and demanding others worship Skip Intro Jun 2013 #73

who decides these things. you? Whisp Jun 2013 #74

Respect does not mean blind faith and deification, Skip Intro Jun 2013 #79

Obama is not above critcism or questioning here on DU. you jest? Whisp Jun 2013 #84

I see the call has gone out.. SidDithers Jun 2013 #39

Amazing. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #50

I agree.. SidDithers Jun 2013 #51

I'm glad you admitted it. TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #88

and a second. Ah, the cult of personality. graham4anything Jun 2013 #126

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #21

I'd feel the same as anyone having it. nt Raine Jun 2013 #22

He doesn't already? Initech Jun 2013 #24

Signed with pleasure. This is the good fight between freedom and the illusion of "security". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #25

This one is a most pertinent paragraph, I have read several posts here stating Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #27

It would have bored him to death! nt Andy823 Jun 2013 #29

Obviously you weren't anti war then Fumesucker Jun 2013 #33

I had been drafted Andy823 Jun 2013 #67

K & R AzDar Jun 2013 #31

What a drama queen. tritsofme Jun 2013 #36

Thank you! n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #38

Definitely need to be protections. moondust Jun 2013 #41

My passwords are protected enough that nobody gets them. longship Jun 2013 #43

Non-sequitor. jazzimov Jun 2013 #44

No, you really need to explain your own statement siligut Jun 2013 #70

And lazy. A lot of "google it" going on these days. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #97

More people should use Google jazzimov Jun 2013 #216

*sigh* Ok, I'll explain my post jazzimov Jun 2013 #221

That he made a false equivalency is your opinion siligut Jun 2013 #225

Don't bother...your eye-rolling demwing Jun 2013 #230

Signed and shared. truebrit71 Jun 2013 #46

I wish you the best of luck, Congressman Grayson MrScorpio Jun 2013 #47

+1 octoberlib Jun 2013 #56

Great post. Thank you. mbperrin Jun 2013 #220

It's worth remembering H2O Man Jun 2013 #49

PS: H2O Man Jun 2013 #52

Signed, Tweeted, Rec'd and Kicked...nt GReedDiamond Jun 2013 #52

What if Richard Nixon had stock in these stocks? Loudly Jun 2013 #55

he'd be reading my email dlwickham Jun 2013 #57

Signed and Shared. Nice to hear a Democrat stand up Skip Intro Jun 2013 #59

Darn...he'd find out just how much stuff I buy on Ebay HipChick Jun 2013 #60

Sell Crazy Somewhere Else...We're All Stocked Up Here maxrandb Jun 2013 #61

Ready, fire, aim Fumesucker Jun 2013 #72

And if a Republican becomes President maxrandb Jun 2013 #76

Smirk and Sneer lied us into war and torture among other things Fumesucker Jun 2013 #77

Yep. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #80

. . . Whisp Jun 2013 #78

And how would we know if those Republicans were following the law? Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #85

Obama admin says they have put safeguards into law. Which the Next R will have to follow or they emulatorloo Jun 2013 #81

Especially since the actions carried out under the law are secret- Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #87

PLONK! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #109

Signed, sealed and delivered.... ReRe Jun 2013 #63

Great suggestion on private contractors. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #82

Yes, a "Get Your Corporation Out of Our Government" Act is exactly what we need, for starters. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #193

You betcha! ;-) ReRe Jun 2013 #222

This whole debate has devolved into a hate Obama hate the government hate, hate hate. 4bucksagallon Jun 2013 #71

You just told a liberal a Congressman that he's acting like a Teabagger. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #90

Disgusting comment. Rep. Alan Grayson is a Democrat and a Liberal. There is not even a sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #102

No one here hates Obama. Some here want laws that are contrary to the Constitution rhett o rick Jun 2013 #178

He'd find out about great offers on Viagra! Gore1FL Jun 2013 #83

The porn in my Email woulda killed Ol' Tricky Dick Kennah Jun 2013 #86

Hank would agree with you... kentuck Jun 2013 #89

Thank you Representative Grayson for standing up for our people and our values TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #92

Bravo, bravo, bravo. Nixon was kicked out for far less than what is occurring today! Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #93

There ought to be a nice cross-section of people in Congress who might want to talk together struggle4progress Jun 2013 #98

+++++ LeftInTX Jun 2013 #101

Petition signed. Th1onein Jun 2013 #100

If ever anyone needed evidence of the power of a cult of personality, just direct Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #103

knr Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #104

Thanks congressman. Please keep pushing and please work to cut private contractors out. pa28 Jun 2013 #105

Signed and forwarded, thank you Rep. Grayson. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #106

Thank you Congressman pipoman Jun 2013 #107

What's with the haters? n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #108

mindboggling, aint it... Divine Discontent Jun 2013 #117

Microsoft, Google, Apple � they're all in on it. Whisp Jun 2013 #110

You are arguing semantics.. pipoman Jun 2013 #137

Dear Mr. Grayson, You being a lawyer must know ... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #111

Kick and Rec Morning Dew Jun 2013 #112

K&R Jamastiene Jun 2013 #113

Mr. Grayson SamKnause Jun 2013 #114

k&r Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #115

Talking point: PRISM is Google for spooks. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #116

Mr. Grayson, please call Senator Franken up and take him to lunch... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #118

Rec #101 here; not even bothering with the detractor comments. Thank you, Rep. Grayson. nt DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #120

+1 Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #121

Signed! ut oh Jun 2013 #122

Agreed! This is not Cuba! joshcryer Jun 2013 #124

thank you Congressman for being one of the courageous few who stands up for the Constitution and Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #125

K&R Thank you, Sir! idwiyo Jun 2013 #127

Done! And thank you, Congressman! Rhiannon12866 Jun 2013 #128

k&r for the 4th Amendment. Laelth Jun 2013 #129

Instead of act, I'd like to see the Patriot Act repealed and the FISA law as well. Skidmore Jun 2013 #130

I signed the petition. Sancho Jun 2013 #131

This is not correct "You're innocent until you're proven guilty..." (from the OP) bike man Jun 2013 #132

Thank you VERY much for posting this Congressman! Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #133

Well TNNurse Jun 2013 #135

k&r Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #136

Thank you Rep Grayson! fredamae Jun 2013 #138

Nixon was a Saint... Octafish Jun 2013 #140

Finally, a call for some degree of social justice! reusrename Jun 2013 #141

Throwing our rights away is cowardly and more destructive than anything a terrorist could ever Dash87 Jun 2013 #142

Go, Alan! cer7711 Jun 2013 #143

Signed Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #144

Bad policy whoever sits in the White House. malthaussen Jun 2013 #145

That wouldn't bother me a bit Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #146

I would have been proud to be on Nixon's Enemy List. Sad to find that we are ALL on the current one. hlthe2b Jun 2013 #147

More so, if you were ever spotted at a OWS event. reusrename Jun 2013 #166

Should be signed "Courage, Rep. Alan Grayson's staff" tarheelsunc Jun 2013 #148

Perhaps, but Congressman Grayson HAS posted here (and engaged in rebuttal) before... hlthe2b Jun 2013 #150

Why do you think that?? kentuck Jun 2013 #151

Yup... SidDithers Jun 2013 #153

and there is no right or wrong in that. Whisp Jun 2013 #160

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #158

The Congressman is right with re: to the inefficiency (and danger) of "TOO MUCH DATA" hlthe2b Jun 2013 #149

Well done and said sir. As you can see, it's a tribal thing for many stupidicus Jun 2013 #152

Signed. Thank you, Congressman Grayson. :-) Melinda Jun 2013 #154

K&R, signed, and thank you. forestpath Jun 2013 #155

motherfuck ALL pigfucking ratfuckers datasuspect Jun 2013 #156

What, is McKenna up in your internals? Robb Jun 2013 #157

Well, the sensible woodchucks are here nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #159

How can you tell? You've got everyone on ignore?...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #161

So that quote is all you got out this post WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #206

Thank you for posting this Congressman Hydra Jun 2013 #163

K & R Ganja Ninja Jun 2013 #165

K & R ctsnowman Jun 2013 #167

Well said, representative. /nt Ash_F Jun 2013 #168

Why are you introducing a bill that mirrors the 4th Amendment? cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #169

If their not following the Constitution, what do we do about it? WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #203

Who enforces the laws?? cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #231

K&R Maven Jun 2013 #170

Spot on. Phlem Jun 2013 #171

Don't we already have that? Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #172

Well, then, I guess he'd know how I feel about him. In no uncertain terms. calimary Jun 2013 #173

No. Yukari Yakumo Jun 2013 #174

I'm calling a Poe on this. I think this is a prank. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #175

Mind your own business act.... midnight Jun 2013 #176

As you can plainly see by this thread, the Rep Party has no corner on authoritarians. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #180

WOW. bvar22 Jun 2013 #183

Recommended. I'm glad he spoke out on this! Sognefjord Jun 2013 #188

Thank you Rep Grayson. 99Forever Jun 2013 #187

Interestingly, the 'like' to fb link is broken and keeps returning an 'error' code. mnhtnbb Jun 2013 #190

Congressman Grayson, I respectfully disagree ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #191

Are you OK with locking foreigners up without any charges being filed. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #202

I'm not sure what your queries have to do with the Congressman missive ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #226

rec SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #194

Nixon is the minor leagues compared to this sh!t. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #195

Change is constant, history is unfolding now, which side are you on? WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #197

I would NEVER have believed the responses to this had I not read them. flvegan Jun 2013 #198

Where did all the "Reagan Democrats" come from? bvar22 Jun 2013 #199

k&r nt steve2470 Jun 2013 #200

He'd be a magic time traveler... Deep13 Jun 2013 #201

The subject line and the first line of message block are somewhat at odds with one bike man Jun 2013 #204

I'm happy to sign the petition . . . MrModerate Jun 2013 #205

Representative Grayson: Why do you not respond to the people here when you post something? madinmaryland Jun 2013 #207

Thank You - Representative Grayson cantbeserious Jun 2013 #208

I was #11549 to sign. K & R Thank you Rep. Grayson Vincardog Jun 2013 #210

Thank you Rep Grayson panader0 Jun 2013 #213

Excellent post and thank you for introducing the MindYourOwnBusinessAct! mbperrin Jun 2013 #215

Thank you for putting this out there. Left2Tackle Jun 2013 #223

Signed. LWolf Jun 2013 #224

Checkers1? Iamnotacrook? Freddie Jun 2013 #227

signed ElsewheresDaughter Jun 2013 #229