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Whisp

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47. actually, we are all out of our element here.

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:54 PM

Jun 2013

We don't know anything much yet and just playing detective here, that's all.

It's interesting, sort of, but that's all it is - guessing games.

To make Snowden a hero or a villain is just a tad premature - but hey, that's what we do here, make uninformed judgements.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] darkangel218 Jun 2013 OP

Nonsense. He made a Democrat look bad. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #1

I can see your invisible sarcasm tag. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #2

Yup NaturalCommunist Jun 2013 #3

Can we have a serious discussion? Swede Atlanta Jun 2013 #23

Its sarcasm, like calling Snowden a 'hero'. railsback Jun 2013 #34

CBS's Bob Schiefer just denounced Snowden on Face the Nation markiv Jun 2013 #4

Bob Schieffer? mimi85 Jun 2013 #41

The Powers that be do not tolerate rogue agents - wundermaus Jun 2013 #5

"rogue" agents you mean marions ghost Jun 2013 #24

Yes... Thank you for the correction. wundermaus Jun 2013 #31

1 - why should they treestar Jun 2013 #58

Why? Because evil works in the dark and light just pisses it off. wundermaus Jun 2013 #102

How can you possible mention such terrible things treestar Jun 2013 #106

Edward Snowden is a coward and a liar. ProSense Jun 2013 #6

We can disagree on the veracity of his claims... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #7

Um...he's hiding in a foreign country? baldguy Jun 2013 #18

Can you blame him? We've seen how Bradley Manning has been treated... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #19

So being a coward is a plus, now? baldguy Jun 2013 #21

Self-preservation is hardly cowardly... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #25

oh brother marions ghost Jun 2013 #26

lot's of brave men and women have sought shelter in other countries throughout history usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #66

Your shtick is well known. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #8

So is yours. Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #9

Sick post. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #10

Wow, ProSense Jun 2013 #12

Lol you said you dont post links! darkangel218 Jun 2013 #14

That's not what I said, but ProSense Jun 2013 #17

Im not confused at all. I dont have an agenda. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #39

lol Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #15

Who are you to tell me where to take ",my personal issues"??? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #16

What? Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #20

Circles? why, cuz i dont agree with you? lmao!!!! nt darkangel218 Jun 2013 #65

I don't think coffee will help. zappaman Jun 2013 #95

beer Kali Jun 2013 #32

I work nights, morning is everyone elses evening. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #53

You know what is really lame? Kali Jun 2013 #62

+100 zappaman Jun 2013 #84

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #93

Upon reading the OP, I just knew she'd have at least one post hidden somewhere down-thread Electric Monk Jun 2013 #98

IBTATAP FSogol Jun 2013 #100

Here it is again, same subject line bike man Jun 2013 #107

Or the next GBCW...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #108

Why do clowns ProSense Jun 2013 #11

You link pretty much all your other posts. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #13

you are out of your element, Donny. give it up. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #40

How do you deem somwone out of their element?? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #44

actually, we are all out of our element here. Whisp Jun 2013 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Jun 2013 #48

BWAHAHHA!! Kali Jun 2013 #70

WTF usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #72

maybe you haven't been here long enough Kali Jun 2013 #78

So what if i self delete?? it means nothing!! darkangel218 Jun 2013 #79

it's not the self-deletes in and of themselves Kali Jun 2013 #85

Incohernt rants/? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #88

I know plenty of people not born here Kali Jun 2013 #90

Im not fucking drunk, nor have i had one single drink when posting this! darkangel218 Jun 2013 #91

+1000! zappaman Jun 2013 #94

orly? sad-cafe Jun 2013 #111

I strongly disagree, and so do many others much more knowledgable than I but usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #71

He deserves jail Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #28

To totalitarians, maybe... to most DUers he's a Patriot usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #63

Why, because he exposed your idol as a constitution shredder? Ter Jun 2013 #99

Sorry, I think that's to be determined. cali Jun 2013 #22

Whatever lol darkangel218 Jun 2013 #37

It will go into the 'self deleted' file, with so many others. nt bike man Jun 2013 #45

He Did All Of Us A Big Favor In Bringing This Surveillance Travesty To Our Collective Attention cantbeserious Jun 2013 #27

And what if his leaks lead to a successful terrorist attack? Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #29

The Point Has Been Made By Experts That The Only People That Did Not Know Was American Citizens cantbeserious Jun 2013 #30

If you are soo stupid that you penndragon69 Jun 2013 #35

Ad Hominen Attack - Against The DU TOS cantbeserious Jun 2013 #38

been around since forever. Whisp Jun 2013 #42

Revealing HOW or govt. gathers information penndragon69 Jun 2013 #33

No. Snowden is a 'hero'. railsback Jun 2013 #36

He's a criminal. I doubt you keep up the worship once China has had their way with him. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #43

Lmao!!! china has not had not they wlll have " their way with him" darkangel218 Jun 2013 #46

type more slowly. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #50

Lol. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #61

Its a complex case. It is not black or white. You are dealing with spies. kentuck Jun 2013 #49

This easily deserves to be its own OP. Simply brilliant and HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #81

You are too kind. kentuck Jun 2013 #87

I happen to love teaching by parable and historical analogue, because HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #96

I agree with your wife. kentuck Jun 2013 #101

the only people he "told anything" is the Chinese... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #51

Really? so his intwrviwes with the media didnt exist?????/ darkangel218 Jun 2013 #55

But it was JUST talk VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #56

Telling the TRUTH, even though he lost everything and eveeyone he ever known , is "just talk"??? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #64

How do you know he is telling the truth... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #69

so he decides to help a government demonsterably worse than the ours on its worst day? arely staircase Jun 2013 #52

How to devalue the word "Hero" intaglio Jun 2013 #54

Up until Snowden I did not know our first and 4th amedment meant nothing. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #59

This has little to do with the 4th Amendment intaglio Jun 2013 #75

It goes back even before 2007 to atleast 1997 when Carnivore was implemented so cstanleytech Jun 2013 #76

Agreed, not a hero and not a traitor intaglio Jun 2013 #77

" both sides are indulging." Of course they are however its still legally treason to reveal it if cstanleytech Jun 2013 #80

If I was a conspiracy theorist intaglio Jun 2013 #97

Doubling down on that is just too much treestar Jun 2013 #57

I lived in socialist/dictatorialship east europe darkangel218 Jun 2013 #60

Then give us some details treestar Jun 2013 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Jun 2013 #73

We have a bill of rights treestar Jun 2013 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Jun 2013 #92

I went to do a workout treestar Jun 2013 #105

K&R JoeyT Jun 2013 #68

Kick this Zero to the curb and get a hero Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #74

Good Comedy HangOnKids Jun 2013 #103

I don't view him as a hero. Beacool Jun 2013 #82

That's not my definition of a hero. More like a self serving human being who doesn't think much of demosincebirth Jun 2013 #83

Nope. zappaman Jun 2013 #86

Yes, very CLOSE. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #89

No...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #109

No....he's not PennsylvaniaMatt Jun 2013 #110

Thee guy appears to have fabricated many aspects of his job and access level. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #112