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joeglow3

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59. My father wanted his job as a dry-waller

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:13 PM

Jun 2013

Then, the profession was flooded with illegal immigrants, unions were busted and wages plummeted. NOW people claim these are jobs "Americans won't work." I call bull shit on this self-fulfilling prophecy

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Are you personally fine with those who cross the border illegally to come to this country? [View all] HeroInAHalfShell Jun 2013 OP

That's a hell of a question JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #1

can I join you? Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #2

We have two new jugs JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #5

That sounds fantastic Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #15

I think every one of those damn Canadians ought to be sent back. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #3

+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #6

+2, eh? pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #43

welcome to DU quinnox Jun 2013 #4

"Welcoming with open arms" Hissyspit Jun 2013 #32

yea, it seems to me some do see it that way quinnox Jun 2013 #34

I'm not seeing it that way because it is a pathetic oversimplification Hissyspit Jun 2013 #37

just answer the dang question quinnox Jun 2013 #44

Bullshit. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #50

Against. nt pintobean Jun 2013 #7

Ditto. n/t RebelOne Jun 2013 #75

The ones I've met have generally been good people trying to better their lives. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #8

I'd rather have one hundred people cross the borer illegally to do the jobs we don't want... Ian David Jun 2013 #9

There's a reason why Americans don't want those jobs. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #16

We're certainly doing undocumented workers more harm than they're doing us. Ian David Jun 2013 #26

Wrong! I worked construction Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #85

That's why I say an open immigration policy is much more workable. If immigrants come to Ed Suspicious Jun 2013 #105

My father wanted his job as a dry-waller joeglow3 Jun 2013 #59

+1! Hangingon Jun 2013 #70

are you blaming the workers? Kali Jun 2013 #78

Where did I assign blame to anyone? joeglow3 Jun 2013 #112

Yep, it's not jobs American's won't do, it's jobs that Americans businesses won't pay for. arcane1 Jun 2013 #96

And they buy politicians who frame the argument so Americans line up to support it joeglow3 Jun 2013 #113

My response to you, in the words of Alvin Dark,... HERVEPA Jun 2013 #10

Personally? ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #11

For. Because our immigration system is completely brain-damaged and racist. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #12

Thank you! nt babylonsister Jun 2013 #77

Yup. Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #110

If they are already here, I'm not for treating them as the right wingers want. Hoyt Jun 2013 #13

I think crossing the border without permission should be illegal. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #14

Unauthorized border crossing is a civil violation. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #18

What I'd like to know is why we don't hear much about the employers PotatoChip Jun 2013 #40

a lot are hired as "sub-contract" workers, especially in Saphire Jun 2013 #46

Yes, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are layers PotatoChip Jun 2013 #57

The employers benefit from the legal limbo of their workers. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #47

This. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #53

See, this is why I think that the Shrub admin. turned a blind eye PotatoChip Jun 2013 #55

it isn't/wasn't just the shrub admin Kali Jun 2013 #82

Maybe just a fine leftynyc Jun 2013 #41

Yes I am personally fine with it marions ghost Jun 2013 #17

Yes and no Warpy Jun 2013 #19

Only anarchists or extreme libertarians favor no borders. former9thward Jun 2013 #20

I'm not fine with breaking the law Politicalboi Jun 2013 #21

Darn! WovenGems Jun 2013 #22

I have no problem with it giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #23

No. Nor am I fine with the US imperialism that created social conditions so deplorable think Jun 2013 #24

I am for human beings being treated like human beings. Kali Jun 2013 #25

letting millions of illegal aliens pour into our country ain't exactly a solution quinnox Jun 2013 #31

sure, tell that to virtually every non-Native American here Kali Jun 2013 #74

Mexico militarizes its southern border. oneshooter Jun 2013 #97

Sigh...you really need to put more thought into this N/T Marengo Jun 2013 #27

I am fine with them. roody Jun 2013 #28

What the fuck difference does it make whether I'm "personally fine" with it? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #29

+1 pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #35

I'm not a fan of sneaking into the country, but I'm not against the people themselves arcane1 Jun 2013 #30

Yes, I am personally fine with those who cross the border illegally ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #33

I'm personally fine with an international labor movement Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #36

No - they're criminals leftynyc Jun 2013 #38

on the purely personal level I am. However, I accept that the modern nation-state does require Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #39

I would grant 100% amnesty, citizenship,voting rights now & also same to Syrian/Egyptian refugees graham4anything Jun 2013 #42

Toss in a car wash and you got yourself a deal! n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #92

I don't care. Blue_In_AK Jun 2013 #45

Here, here! randome Jun 2013 #48

I'm fine with them. LWolf Jun 2013 #49

I'm not fine with this OP KG Jun 2013 #51

lol quinnox Jun 2013 #56

No FarCenter Jun 2013 #52

I am against it. Immigrants need to do what my mom did and apply and arrive legally. nt Nay Jun 2013 #54

Are you personally fine with edhopper Jun 2013 #58

lol quinnox Jun 2013 #60

+1 uppityperson Jun 2013 #103

Fine, I'm not fine with the labor black market that allows them to be abused and for TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #61

For mokawanis Jun 2013 #62

I'm neither fine nor against... It's a very difficult topic WilmywoodNCparalegal Jun 2013 #63

+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #89

Strongly against. badtoworse Jun 2013 #64

Against people? Orsino Jun 2013 #65

I'm all for it duuser5822 Jun 2013 #66

I don't care if they don't obey all other laws. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #72

Pretty much, yeah. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #67

I all for it. bravenak Jun 2013 #68

Only capital is unafffected by borders. rug Jun 2013 #69

Oh goody! I'll play, I'll play ....... oldhippie Jun 2013 #71

I'm not fine with it, but I have great sympathy for the plight of those people Cleita Jun 2013 #73

The laws the law and it should be enforced. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #76

Sometimes the law is an ass. This is one of those times. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #106

No, and yes. I'd like them to show some respect for our laws and to those who are playing kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #79

Somehow I don't think this thread will go well. Marrah_G Jun 2013 #80

The law's the law Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #81

Fine with it. Iggo Jun 2013 #83

NO, they should be arrested. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #84

"Personally fine" or not has nothing to do with it. If folks come into, or stay, illegally, they bike man Jun 2013 #86

What's legal or illegal when it comes to migration? ananda Jun 2013 #87

Keep your eye on the ball gollygee Jun 2013 #88

Do you know anyone that came here illegally? N/t FreeState Jun 2013 #90

I am fine with it. Corporations don't have borders Whisp Jun 2013 #91

I'm for lawful immigration. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #93

Life is not so simple. These people are desperate for a better life. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #94

Yes...I'm fine with it... Sancho Jun 2013 #95

Given a choice between the exploited and the exploiters... opiate69 Jun 2013 #98

Yes. Generally, yes. Vanje Jun 2013 #99

Oh wait! WAIT!!!! Vanje Jun 2013 #100

wbere did your ancestors come from? Skittles Jun 2013 #101

Yes, I think in their position I might have done the same thing treestar Jun 2013 #102

Nobody has posted "post and run" or whatever the phrase is so I will. uppityperson Jun 2013 #104

Indeed. Lone_Star_Dem Jun 2013 #107

Yup MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #108

legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair H2O Man Jun 2013 #109

I have no problem with it loyalsister Jun 2013 #111